Transcript of #amigaworld Q & A session with Rogue & EntilZha
[19:36:21] Rogue	Okay, hello all :)
[19:36:23] EntilZha	Ok, is this thing on ?
[19:36:26] DaveyD	yes
[19:36:28] EntilZha	Hello All!
[19:36:37] Rogue	*clears throat*
[19:36:43] DaveyD	hi EntilZha and Rogue
[19:37:12] Rogue	Hello everybody... first of all, I would like to say a few things that would otherwise be asked at least 100 times :)
[19:37:33] Rogue	I've got some good news and some not-so-good news... I start with the not-so-good one.
[19:38:01] Rogue	As you have probably already guessed, there will be no OS 4 release this year. There are reasons for that which I would like to explain
[19:38:35] Rogue	The main reason is the unavailability of hardware. As you all know, AmigaOne's are not available right now, so we are not in a position to offer an OS 4 with a matching hardware.
[19:39:11] Rogue	We DO think that once we release AmigaOS4.0, there will be a general interest in the news, in media, etc. We will get a lot of interest from people outside the amiga market, and they will ask where they can buy it.
[19:39:44] Rogue	If we tell them they cannot buy it right now and need to wait until the hardware is available, then this will take away a lot of momentum that the release will generate.
[19:40:00] Rogue	Hence we decided to postpone the release until such time as a hardware platform IS available.
[19:40:08] Rogue	*coughs* so much for the bad news.
[19:40:25] Rogue	Now the good news. First of all, since we don't have OS 4 out now as planned, there will be...
[19:40:29] Rogue	Update #4
[19:40:54] Rogue	Update #4 will come out early january, and will be again a quite comprehensive update. It will include, among other things...
[19:41:04] Rogue	-> Petunia (the JIT)
[19:41:11] Rogue	-> Warp3D including the R200 driver
[19:41:35] Rogue	-> the latest Intuition, which has seen quite some overhaul (especially in ReAction)
[19:41:57] Rogue	... and, well, everything else is included too. It's going to be an installable ISO again
[19:42:14] Rogue	It will be more or less what the beta testers have now
[19:42:34] Rogue	Secondly, one thing that was recently added to OS 4 is SCSI support.
[19:43:07] Rogue	Stephane Guillard has written a driver for LSI/Symbios based cards (53c8xx based).
[19:43:44] Rogue	Finally, you will wonder when new hardware is going to be available.
[19:44:31] Rogue	I'm afraid I cannot answer that question, BUT we are working with several hardware companies (Troika is one of them but not the only one) that want to provide hardware ofr AmigaOS4.0
[19:45:02] Rogue	These companies will come forward as soon as they are ready for that. Projects will cover both the low-end and high-end market.
[19:45:20] Rogue	Alright, that's it from me. I'd say on to the questions.
[19:45:33] Coder	Ok hold on for the first one.
[19:46:21] Coder	Will there be any kind of software / drivers updating service (notice or automatic via internet) in the final os4.0..
[19:47:07] Mikey_C-A1	Before we go any further, please, those of you who have joined and wish to ask a question, join #amigaworld2. To do this do /join #amigaworld2 at your prompt
[19:47:20] Rogue	As you may have heard, there already is some sort of updater program called AmiUpdate. We don't know yet if this will make it public or not, but it is certainly an option...
[19:47:39] Rogue	Basically we will consider it but it depends on the infrastructure.
[19:47:58] Eric_S	Will update #4 include SNAP?
[19:47:58] Rogue	next please :)
[19:48:09] Rogue	No, SNAP will not be included
[19:48:21] Rogue	next
[19:48:28] Mikey_C-A1	 What will the final version contain that's missing for update 4
[19:48:54] EntilZha	Not much. Basically, it's very near to what would have been the final release.
[19:49:19] EntilZha	There are some bits and pieces that we will only release in the final version...
[19:49:42] EntilZha	This gives us the opportunity to test them some more internally...
[19:49:49] _Steve_	[VidarL]: Given the popularity of "safe" languages, do you have any plans to release a virtual machine based programming language like Java or .Net, with official Reaction bindings?
[19:50:21] EntilZha	There are currently no plans from our side.
[19:50:35] Rogue	We are planning things like Python
[19:50:46] Rogue	as a replacement for AREXX. But nothing yet in terms of Java
[19:50:52] EntilZha	NEXT
[19:51:05] L8-X	Codesmith:when are we going to see an updated SDK?
[19:51:06] Rigo	QUESTION: When can we expect an updated SDK?
[19:51:36] EntilZha	It wil probably l be release shortly after update #4
[19:51:48] EntilZha	next
[19:52:16] Alchemy	Invizix: http://www.perl.com/doc/manual/html/Porting/README.amiga.html
[19:52:31] L8-X	fusion:Will Y have to you it a rom 4.0 to receive AmigaOS4 or will be us obliged of reflasher the CyberstormPPC chart?
[19:53:03] Rogue	There will be no OS4 ROM and there will be no reflashing for CyberstormPPC cards.
[19:53:10] Rogue	next
[19:53:15] _Steve_	[^eliot]: How good does memory protection, virtual memory and resource tracking work in current OS4? Which limitations are there?
[19:54:12] EntilZha	Memory protection in the sense that programs run completely isolated does not work on current AmigaOS... it's technically not possible since all existing programs rely on shared memory
[19:54:43] Coder	just wanted to add a question (if possible) "what are current relationships between eyetech an hyperion"
[19:54:56] EntilZha	The only thing we currently do is protect certain parts from access by user programs...
[19:55:52] EntilZha	Resource tracking is implemented basically, but it is not yet used by everyone, so basically, it's disabled by default... there are too many problems still (resources being freed by other tasks than the original allocator...)
[19:56:30] Rogue	The relationship between Hyperion and Eyetech is as always - we're doing the software, Eyetech is doing the hardware.
[19:56:41] Rogue	I don't think there is more to say on that.
[19:56:43] Rogue	next
[19:56:49] Eric_S	QUESTION: Mesa looks really interesting. How much integration into AmigaOS are you expecting to do? Will there be a mesa.library for example?
[19:56:49] L8-X	: Are Hyperion in regular contact with Amiga.Inc?
[19:57:01] Rogue	*coughs* :)
[19:57:04] Rogue	Alright, about Mesa...
[19:57:51] Rogue	We are working on a generic OpenGL framework that will basically allow a program to use OpenGL much in the same way as AGL, glX or WGL - you create a context and start using OpenGL commands.
[19:58:15] Rogue	This will not be tied to Mesa but to a concept of an installable driver that can override all or part of the standard OpenGL pipeline.
[19:58:35] Rogue	This way a vendor-specific OpenGL can be used as well as Mesa or even MiniGL.
[19:58:54] Rogue	About our contact with Amiga:
[19:59:26] Rogue	Yes, we are in contact with Amiga. I don't know specifics, since this is a management job, so I can't say more about it.
[19:59:31] Rogue	Next
[19:59:33] Outcast	QUESTION: Will the Grim Reaper be able to catch crashes that occur within graphics/intuition.library caused by incorrect
[19:59:33] Outcast	pointers, or will it lock upp the system in OS4 final as well? This problem is very annoying during development and testing
[20:00:27] EntilZha	Illegal access in critical parts of the system will always lead to such "hard" crashes. This is a problem of the AmigaOS design in general, and we basically inherit that.
[20:01:06] EntilZha	There's no real way for the GrimReaper to catch these... these things will be addressed later
[20:01:09] EntilZha	next
[20:01:24] Coder	Some days ago in the forums it was said that the RKM's would be renewed and printed again. Could you share some more info on that?
[20:02:14] EntilZha	We intent to bring the RKM's up to current specs.
[20:02:52] EntilZha	There might be a print-on-demand printing (there are companies that offer such a service), although nothing is yet written in stone... it's planned, at any case
[20:03:01] EntilZha	next
[20:03:05] Eric_S	QUESTION: will full dvi support for dvi-able graphic cards/monitors make it into update#4 or the final one?
[20:03:17] L8-X	is amigainput going to be included in update 4?
[20:03:36] Rogue	Update #4 : no, most likely not. OS4 final: Yes.
[20:03:55] EntilZha	That's DVi support Rogue's talking about
[20:04:35] Rogue	AmigaInput: yes that is going to be included in update #4, most likely including the USB HID driver... I have played Descent Freespace wth my Saitek X52 FCS and it rocks :)
[20:04:38] Rogue	next
[20:04:40] Outcast	QUESTION: Can you comment on any possible CPU upgrades that may or may not be available for the A1 ?
[20:04:41] Outcast	[19:58:10]
[20:04:48] EntilZha	No
[20:04:52] Outcast	:)
[20:04:57] EntilZha	Sorry, we are no hardware company
[20:05:00] EntilZha	next
[20:05:28] _Steve_	[dEF_bASE]: Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[20:06:05] Rogue	We're in the same boat. Hardware support WILL be an issue, more so since many hardware companies will not part with their specs.
[20:06:22] Rogue	We can borrow from Linux or write our own drivers, or support thrid party drivers.
[20:06:49] Rogue	For OS 4 on embedded devices, things will look different since on embedded hardware the drivers will be custom-written for the system in question.
[20:07:14] Rogue	But yeah, that is going to be an issue... you will not be able ATM to plug in, say, a Volari graphics card and expect it to work.
[20:07:17] Rogue	:(
[20:07:19] Rogue	next
[20:07:25] Coder	Will there be socks support in roadshow?
[20:08:12] EntilZha	Uhm, good question... Frankly, I don't know... if Olaf is here, can somebody voice him :S
[20:09:18] Rogue	Something I forgot to mention about Update #4:
[20:09:27] Rogue	It will have 64 bit DOS support
[20:09:49] Mikey_C-A1	Rogue can you elaborate on that?
[20:09:56] Rogue	Sure..
[20:10:34] Rogue	There are new functions that accept 64 bit file offsets and sizes. There are also new DOS package types that will allow you to use files that are larger than 2 GB.
[20:10:43] Rogue	currently everything is 32 bit, and signed, too.
[20:10:48] Outcast	YES
[20:10:51] Rogue	so that means 2GB is mostly the limit.
[20:10:55] Outcast	you beauty
[20:11:10] Rogue	*coughs*
[20:11:30] Mikey_C-A1	lol
[20:11:32] Rogue	Erm, seems Olaf isn't here... Next I'd say
[20:11:37] Mikey_C-A1	No he isn't
[20:11:38] DaveyD	question: will os4 support tvout?
[20:11:40] Mikey_C-A1	I have been told
[20:11:53] Rogue	Update 4 won't.
[20:12:17] Rogue	For the final version, I think this is planned (for cards that support it like Radeon), so it would be yes.
[20:12:20] Rogue	next
[20:12:26] Eric_S	Question: Using AmigaOS4 partitioned harddrives connected via USB is not working well to say the least in pre3, will this work in Update4?
[20:13:19] EntilZha	There was a bug in CrossDos that was causing trouble. This is fixed, and the fix will make it into update 4
[20:13:47] EntilZha	Other than that, I can't say, because I don't know what the problem is that you're having...
[20:13:50] EntilZha	next
[20:13:51] Outcast	MiMe_OS4> QUESTION: will the radeon drivers be updated for #4 (overlay for example)?
[20:13:53] L8-X	How advanced have the video drivers become so far and in final OS4 whats the latest Radeon card we can use to attain both 2d and 3d?
[20:14:30] EntilZha	Overlay is still being worked on, but it's not in update 4, sorry
[20:15:09] EntilZha	All Radeons from R100 up to R2xx and RV2xx are supported by 3d drivers
[20:15:17] EntilZha	All others only 2d at the moment.
[20:15:21] EntilZha	next
[20:16:02] _Steve_	[ssolie]: QUESTION: Mesa looks really interesting. How much integration into AmigaOS are you expecting to do? Will there be a mesa.library for example?
[20:16:16] EntilZha	*coughs* See above
[20:16:23] EntilZha	Already been answered
[20:16:26] *	Rogue points upwards
[20:16:31] EntilZha	Uhm... next ?
[20:17:04] Coder	Are you spending more time on the OS4 version for the "classic" Amiga now that you are waiting with the final release for new hardware?
[20:17:37] EntilZha	Not really. Except for the real low-level stuff, both versions are basically the same...
[20:18:21] EntilZha	What we currently do is testing and bugfixing... even final releases contain bugs, so here's our chance to reduce the number of bugs that will be in the final version (and replace them by new bugs :S )
[20:18:49] EntilZha	next
[20:18:59] Eric_S	QUESTION: will there be public & free SDK with cross-compilers?
[20:19:27] EntilZha	Yes, there will be. Unfortunately, this has been on backburner for far too long, and we apologize for that.
[20:19:44] EntilZha	next
[20:19:50] L8-X	Q:Does #4 need UBOOT update?
[20:19:54] EntilZha	No
[20:19:59] EntilZha	next :)
[20:20:00] Outcast	mschulz_AROS> question: would you mind allowing AROS to be source-compatible with OS4?
[20:20:23] Rogue	Well, my personal opinion: No.
[20:20:24] Rogue	BUT
[20:20:49] Rogue	Since I am certainly not a lawyer, I cannot and will not comment on legal issues... I don't mind, but the company might :)
[20:21:05] Rogue	There are commercial interests to be taken into account.
[20:21:32] EntilZha	Basically, this is a question for the management, and not for us... we only work here :)
[20:21:39] Rogue	Yup :)
[20:21:42] EntilZha	Personally, I wouldn't mind either.
[20:21:50] Rogue	next
[20:21:58] _Steve_	[%Jurassic_OS4]: QUESTION: Who will be responsible for the OS4 marketing. We all know how poor C= marketing was after the 64 was released with there be a hi profile scheme ?
[20:22:20] Rogue	Erm, good question.
[20:22:32] Rogue	I am a developer, it certainly isn't going to be me :)
[20:22:46] Rogue	Other than that, well the website is more or less a beginning of our marketing...
[20:23:00] Rogue	So I cannot really answer that.
[20:23:03] Rogue	next
[20:23:22] Coder	question: can finally use joystick/jopad with update 4?
[20:23:30] Rogue	Yes.
[20:23:44] Rogue	AmigaInput is going to be included
[20:24:06] Rogue	There is a driver for USB HID devices which is capable of driving a number of USB joysticks.
[20:24:26] Rogue	Not all are supported, we are working on a compatibility list.
[20:24:53] Rogue	But quite a number of devices already work... Like I said above, my Saitek FCS works quite well..
[20:25:11] EntilZha	We played Freespace with this: http://www.saitek.de/prod/x52.htm
[20:25:19] Rogue	next :)
[20:25:23] Eric_S	PA-Semi, xenon, cell, ... everything is multicore, nowadays. Any plans to add support?
[20:25:38] Rogue	That is a definitive YES!
[20:25:47] Rogue	We'Re already lookng into this.
[20:26:06] Rogue	Multicore CPU's are going to be commonplace in a few years time, we cannot afford to miss that.
[20:26:13] Rogue	Especially with CELL
[20:26:48] EntilZha	There are currently "legacy issues" with multicore support, so this is going to be post OS4.0 (4.x)
[20:27:10] Rogue	This is mostly about Forbid lockign which chokes performance if used too often.
[20:27:39] Rogue	We're working on getting this out of the system, and we're working on solutions for dual/multicore CPU support and special CPU support like CELL
[20:27:43] Rogue	next
[20:27:51] Outcast	Question: Is raytracer Real 4D still an issue for AOs4?
[20:27:57] Rogue	Yes
[20:28:12] Rogue	Still being worked on, though it is going slowly...
[20:28:21] Rogue	We've moved it to a third party though.
[20:28:25] Rogue	next
[20:28:28] _Steve_	[GuruMeditation]: QUESTION: Commodore was quite excellent when it came to documentation. Will you, or anyone else print any documentation for OS4, or will it be digital only?
[20:28:42] Rogue	Good question.
[20:29:07] Rogue	Digital documentation is going to be the major source of information, but we're looking into things like a printed manual.
[20:29:32] Rogue	There most likely *will* be a printed manual for the final release.
[20:29:51] EntilZha	And a "big box"
[20:30:03] Rogue	next
[20:30:26] Coder	Orgin: Do you plan, at some point, to include a proper GUI based tool for task/process management? Such as listing all running processes, sending signals, changing priorities, killing individual tasks etc.
[20:31:45] EntilZha	The whole scheduler/task system will be reworked completely in post 4.0. As such, these possibilities are probably going to be addressed late, including such a tool.
[20:32:12] Rogue	There has been lots of work recently within exec and DOS to make graceful exit of crashed task more viable
[20:32:33] Rogue	Resource tracking *is* functional, it just needs to be extended to things like graphics and intuition.
[20:32:51] Rogue	Whether this will work out for 4.0 or be pused back for 4.1 is not yet decided... I'd bet on 4.1
[20:32:57] Rogue	next
[20:33:01] Eric_S	Question: Are there any plans for a speech program in OS4 as there was in the original Amiga?
[20:33:13] EntilZha	Short answer: No
[20:34:10] EntilZha	Long answer: There's been a candidate for a speech replacement for OS4, but it has not yet been pirsued. It's basically a "minor issue", and there is freely available software that can do the same.
[20:34:26] EntilZha	next
[20:34:29] L8-X	Any chance of some new games while we wait for OS4? I have cash to spend...
[20:35:05] Rogue	We're currently working on some stuff but I cannot disclose what it is, nor can I say when it will be available.
[20:35:17] EntilZha	Basically, we are working full time on OS4
[20:35:18] Rogue	things go slow... we've got an OS to finish too :)
[20:36:10] Rogue	next
[20:36:11] Outcast	Chris_Y> QUESTION: What features are planned for post-OS4.0?
[20:36:27] EntilZha	Some of the features:
[20:36:39] EntilZha	- Multi-core/Multi-CPU support
[20:37:19] Rogue	- Device-Independet display system. Basically something like Cairo, OpenGL-accelereated, with all the visual gadgetry like rotatable windows, transparency and the like...
[20:38:12] Rogue	Basically improve on what we have now.
[20:38:16] EntilZha	- Everything that's not yet in OS4.0
[20:38:21] Rogue	Yup :)
[20:38:25] Rogue	(good answer)
[20:38:52] Rogue	*coughs* next :)
[20:38:55] _Steve_	[tons]: Will hardware/software that requires proper Zorro and Classic Amiga Video support, such as the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer system, work properly with OS4?
[20:39:18] EntilZha	Yes, provided the drivers are written correctly.
[20:39:45] EntilZha	There's nothing that prevents you from accessing the Zorro bus, or the video hardware... however, the drivers must work with the emulation.
[20:39:58] EntilZha	next
[20:40:09] Mikey_C-A1	okay
[20:40:13] Mikey_C-A1	Finally to finish
[20:40:20] Mikey_C-A1	can you comment on: Pegasos 2 port
[20:40:29] Mikey_C-A1	and OS4 on PDA?
[20:40:30] Mikey_C-A1	;)
[20:40:34] Rogue	Aye! No comment :)
[20:40:38] Rogue	Erm... okay...
[20:40:51] Rogue	Pegasos 2 is a potential hardware platform for OS 4.
[20:41:11] Rogue	There is an initial "cost" involved for a port, in fact, for any port of OS 4 to a different hardware platform.
[20:41:44] Rogue	On some occasions (like the hardware platforms mentioned in our introduction) we'Re working on that with the hardware manufacturer.
[20:42:03] Rogue	For the Pegasos 2, we would need to do that ourselves. We're currently not ready to do that.
[20:42:16] Rogue	That is the reason why there is no OS4 on the peg yet.
[20:42:21] Rogue	PDA:
[20:42:34] Rogue	Yes AmigaOS4 *does* run on an existing PDA.
[20:42:50] Mikey_C-A1	what make? and can we have it now? ;)
[20:42:55] EntilZha	Yeah, Workbench booting on a 240x320 display: A sight to see
[20:43:02] DaveyD	lol
[20:43:13] DaveyD	if Windows can do it ;)
[20:43:30] EntilZha	I can not dsclose that without killing 519 people, sorry
[20:43:37] Mikey_C-A1	okay :)
[20:43:42] Mikey_C-A1	Finally in closing then,
[20:43:59] DaveyD	everyone stick around for the after-party
[20:44:12] Mikey_C-A1	I would like to thank you guys on behalf of everyone on Amigaworld for taking the time to answer all the questions
[20:44:15] EntilZha	after-party ? Can we get drunk ?
[20:44:22] Outcast	on Coke ?
[20:44:24] Coder	Drinks are on DaveyD
[20:44:33] DaveyD	EntilZha your belgain, of course
[20:44:35] EntilZha	Depends on what you mix into the Coke
[20:44:35] Mikey_C-A1	To round of Rogue EntilZha any thoughts on OS4.1 and beyond?
[20:44:43] Outcast	true
[20:44:51] *	EntilZha remembers being drunk on Coke+Cognac
[20:44:53] «Kick»	Please_Kick_Nick_Players has been kicked out of this channel by Rigo: out
[20:45:01] *	DaveyD locks the door
[20:45:05] Mikey_C-A1	To round of Rogue EntilZha any thoughts on OS4.1 and beyond?
[20:45:44] EntilZha	Hmm... thoughts...
[20:46:03] EntilZha	Well, we do have our plans, but it all depends of course on the present, i.e. sales of OS4
[20:46:27] EntilZha	Some of the plans we already gave a glimpse on, some others are not disclosed yet
[20:46:35] *	DaveyD opens the room in a moment
[20:46:39] Mikey_C-A1	okay, well on that note, guys thank you for your time
[20:46:41] Mikey_C-A1	:)
[20:46:51] DaveyD	now drink up
[20:46:54] Outcast	Round of applause
[20:46:55] EntilZha	You're welcome. Thanks all for listening
[20:47:02] «Mode»	DaveyD changes channel modes to not moderated
[20:47:03] Mikey_C-A1	Thanks to the Friedens

And here's the questions channel
[19:31:58] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Will OS4 work on an m68k Amiga (either standard or with a new PPC card), and if so, will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware run properly with OS4?
[19:31:59] XrAyZ	about time
[19:32:04] kindergip	everyone seems to be sitting quietly waiting
[19:32:11] Fusion	Zener french ?
[19:32:24] AmigaMac	the latest on available Amiga hardware for OS4?
[19:32:24] Fransexy	a
[19:32:27] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	Was halten Sie von der Entscheidung Apple's, das MacOS von der PowerPC-Architektur auf die Intel-Architektur zu portieren?
[19:32:29] antique_OS39	a
[19:32:30] Darth_XP	beer
[19:32:30] Rachy_OS4	tonsofpcs_VideoToaster: OS4 already runs on classic machines
[19:32:43] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Rachy_OS4 - that's kinda hard for an OS that isn't released yet
[19:32:44] Rachy_OS4	Rachy_OS4: dunno about VT
[19:32:49] Rigo	Only questions in Englist will be accepted
[19:32:53] yn	lol
[19:32:58] _Steve_	-t+h
[19:32:58] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	i don't speak Englist :(
[19:32:59] BOFH	Englist ?
[19:32:59] dEF_bASE	englist?
[19:33:00] dEF_bASE	;)
[19:33:00] Darth_XP	BEER BEER BEER!
[19:33:00] cebollinOS39	os4 for pegasos :P
[19:33:00] Rigo	English :)
[19:33:01] ironfist|AIX-POWER	How did the Friedens managed to stay alive and pay rent during all this development. Any secret investor?
[19:33:03] Jurassic_OS4	how about spanglish
[19:33:06] Rachy_OS4	tonsofpcs_VideoToaster: at least it runs on MY A4k ;)
[19:33:09] raef[amiga]	hoi
[19:33:12] walkero_OS4	is there a possibility to follow Apple's steps, and release an OS4 version for intel based machines?
[19:33:16] yn	Knowing what you know now, would you still have taken on development of os4?
[19:33:16] VidarL	Are Hyperion in regular contact with Amiga?
[19:33:17] asian	where is amiga OS4? Thank you
[19:33:28] rzookol_mos	hi
[19:33:29] VidarL	If the decline of the PPC as a desktop processor family continue, do you have any contingency plans? Or are all your eggs in one basket?
[19:33:30] Alkaron	Will there be any kind of software / drivers updating service (notice or automatic via internet) in the final os4.0..
[19:33:34] quadpol	Is there currently any close cooperation with Troika (esp. concerning the adaption of OS4 to their hardware)?
[19:33:35] lazi	Will there be socks support in roadshow?
[19:33:35] [thawk]	when will the hardwaresituation turn around?
[19:33:36] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	Waht is your opinion for aple's decision to port MacOS to the INTEL architecture?
[19:33:42] VidarL	Given the popularity of "safe" languages, do you have any plans to release a virtual machine based programming language like Java or .Net, with official Reaction bindings?
[19:33:43] Jurassic_OS4	do we start with "question:" ??????
[19:34:00] Darth_XP	?
[19:34:04] mailman^	Are there any efforts concerning AmigaOS 4 working on Pegasos computers?
[19:34:04] *	tonsofpcs_VideoToaster pokes someone to change the topic
[19:34:08] Fusion	The OS4 on Amiga 4000 PPC for when?
[19:34:13] VidarL	On the OS4 site, you state that interested parties can contact Hyperion regarding porting OS4 to other platforms. Is this intended for embedded systems only where the customer writes custom applications for their use? Or how do you intend to run existing Amiga software on these platforms?
[19:34:13] Teddy	how are you, are you feeling OK or totaly exhausted with your work on OS4?
[19:34:16] asian	Is there any plan by Hyperion to buy Amiga Inc?
[19:34:21] Valiant	Happy Holidays! Now that OS4.0 is almost ready for release, do you have in mind a map for 4.1?
[19:34:30] tomazkid	How about REBOL for OS4, any work in progress?
[19:34:31] VidarL	How much work do you estimate it will take to port OS4 to another architecture, for example x86?
[19:34:32] ChrisH	How do you hide the join messages????
[19:34:41] Dunx	join/ #amigaworld3
[19:34:45] walkero_OS4	How do you expect the OS4 sells to go, if there will not be any more amiga one systems?
[19:34:53] quadpol	Is there currently any close cooperation with Troika (esp. concerning the adaption of OS4 to their hardware)?
[19:34:54] micronuke|OSX	ChrisH: Look for an option like "conference mode"
[19:34:55] ajk	ChrisH, in xchat - right click the channel tab
[19:34:56] Didi	we wont OS4 :)
[19:34:57] ToAks_OS4	ChrisH: click the lagometer and shanghai join/quit
[19:35:02] Steve|SMS	What is the lowest system OS4 can run on?
[19:35:07] MiMe_OS4	?: what except the name is "amiga inc."s role in the whole os4.x development process?
[19:35:07] Emhyr	when SDk will be ready ?
[19:35:07] ma_sehn869723	status of OS4 for ClassicPPC?
[19:35:23] ToAks_OS4	ChrisH: for amirc that is
[19:35:28] Teddy	will there be an OS4 enebled PDA?
[19:35:36] asian	Is there any other Hardware for AmigaOS 4? Amy? ACK?
[19:35:37] [thawk]	What are the plans to make developing for Amiga easier? Will there be support for modern Languages in the Style of java or maybe functional ones like caml???
[19:35:40] Mikey_C	Jurassic_OS4, Rudei_OS4 and derfs YOU ARE NOW HALF OPS ON THIS CHANNEL, YOU MAY POLICE IT AS YOU SEE FIT!
[19:35:40] Mikey_C	Jurassic_OS4, Rudei_OS4 and derfs YOU ARE NOW HALF OPS ON THIS CHANNEL, YOU MAY POLICE IT AS YOU SEE FIT!
[19:35:40] Mikey_C	Jurassic_OS4, Rudei_OS4 and derfs YOU ARE NOW HALF OPS ON THIS CHANNEL, YOU MAY POLICE IT AS YOU SEE FIT!
[19:35:43] Mikey_C	OKAY?
[19:35:50] hnl_dk	are You able to tell anyting about the near future for embedded OS4?
[19:35:51] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Can you discuss the PDA version of OS4 is this a real product or just something made in house as an experiment ?
[19:35:53] DrBombcrater	Does Hyperion still intend OS4 to be a desktop OS, or is embedded use now the priority?
[19:35:56] magic-xp-pro_suse-10	I am a very keen gamer and graphic designer, Can we expect any support from major graphics companys such as nvidia or agp in the near future?
[19:35:57] BlueTroll	What's the status on the development of the Pegasos version of AmigaOS4?
[19:35:59] Jurassic_OS4	mikey_C:okay
[19:36:02] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	Are there any possibilities to sell OS4 for industries such as medicine...?
[19:36:03] Showman_Q	Is there any relationship between the unavaiability of amiga_hw (any kind of amiga_hw) and the avaiability of os4.0 final?
[19:36:06] Fusion	Will Y have to you it them boingbags 4.0.1 and 4.02 like prevu?
[19:36:11] Seer	Hmm... quiet ?
[19:36:14] Fransexy	a lot of people complaint obout the lack of about os4 specific programing info.Will you relese more documentation soon?
[19:36:17] Elwood	When will we have a new SDK?
[19:36:20] mailman^	Are there any efforts concerning AmigaOS 4 working on the number of available PowerPC computers? If so, what are they? Were there any "talks" about that with some of the representatives?
[19:36:26] Amigaz_A4000	Will OS4 for classic be finished at the same time as for the "A1" or after/before?
[19:36:27] JustinCredible1976	when will be the os4.0 came out for classics amiga
[19:36:29] walkero_OS4	Do you intend to help developing teams with other projects, like Amizilla, Amigasamba, after the release of OS4?
[19:36:33] bibi	Hi
[19:36:33] *	Nickman_A1200PPC wonders how the snap porting is coming along
[19:36:35] asian	IS there any plan to port AmigaOS 4 to 68K or ColdFire?
[19:36:50] SLayeRDK	suggestion: all start a question with " question: "
[19:36:53] ChrisH	How do I turn join messages off in AmIRC? Can't find anything
[19:36:54] Argo	What is the current status of OS4?
[19:36:55] Steve|SMS	Will there be compatability with existing PC graphics card, eg. nVidia, GeForce, ... And what architecture will it use, AGP or PCI-expess?
[19:36:57] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Question: Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:37:02] Fusion	before passing to AmigaOS 4.1 PPC out of Amiga 4000 PPC
[19:37:04] magic-xp-pro_suse-10	Question: I am a very keen gamer and graphic designer, Can we expect any support from major graphics companys such as nvidia or agp in the near future?
[19:37:11] ToAks_OS4	ChrisH: I JUST TOLD U!..scroll up
[19:37:15] ToAks_OS4	ChrisH: click the lagometer and shanghai join/quit
[19:37:16] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	How many peaple do work on OS4 at this time?
[19:37:17] dEF_bASE	magic: i can answer that - no
[19:37:18] ToAks_OS4	ChrisH: click the lagometer and shanghai join/quit
[19:37:26] dEF_bASE	magic, they won't even support linux because of 1000 issues
[19:37:26] Fransexy	will you port apps for amigaos4 or only concentrate in the os itself?
[19:37:27] ChrisH	whats the lagometer? :-(
[19:37:30] Steve|SMS	EVERYBODY LOOK IN #AMIGAWORLD
[19:37:31] tarbos	Question - what does the release of Pegasos II through Power.org with full (Marvell...) documentation on Jan 9th 2006 mean for your OS4 hardware roadmap?
[19:37:34] Invizix	426 ppl
[19:37:34] RussellB	Will there be a Pre-release update 4 for AmigaOne machines?
[19:37:35] Invizix	wow
[19:37:35] JustinCredible1976	question: when will be the os 4.0 came out for the classics amiga
[19:37:35] quadpol	Is there currently any close cooperation with Troika (esp. concerning the adaption of OS4 to their hardware)?
[19:37:36] MiMe_OS4	?: what scsi drivers (if at all) will be part of os4.0 for the amigaone machines?
[19:37:38] ToAks_OS4	ChrisH: green bar under channel list
[19:37:44] magic-xp-pro_suse-10	dEF_bASE, errn nvidia have supported linux for a long time
[19:37:48] ^eliot	How good does memory protection, virtual memory and resource tracking work in current OS4? Which limitations are there?
[19:37:48] Fransexy	ohhhhhhhh no a bad news
[19:37:49] Beeblebrox	Do you still like developing for Amiga computers ?
[19:37:53] dEF_bASE	magic, no, nvidia linux support sucks
[19:37:54] Fusion	Will AmigaOS4 function it with SharkPPC G3/G4?
[19:37:58] TontonP	IS AOS4 delay due to polishing things or lack of AmigaOnes ?
[19:37:58] ToAks_OS4	ChrisH: or just open infomration box in the menu (window)
[19:38:03] magic-xp-pro_suse-10	dEF_bASE, in what way?
[19:38:04] SLayeRDK	shhh first news
[19:38:05] cebollinOS39	we need modern application to run with os4...os4 without modern apps its useless (firefox)
[19:38:06] ^eliot	OS4 for peg???
[19:38:08] MiMe_OS4	sshhh.... announcement on the other channel!
[19:38:08] dEF_bASE	magic trust me, i'm a 3d directx/gfx coder, the support for non-windows platforms is awful
[19:38:12] mailman^	Will AmigoOS 4 Classic contain all the elements of AmigaOne version (eg. 3D suport). In comparison MorphOS PowerUp (Classic) does not contain that features.
[19:38:14] BigBentheAussie553	:)
[19:38:16] Darth_XP	polishing things?
[19:38:18] Fransexy	no os4 this year
[19:38:19] Mikey_C	OKAY PLEASE READ WHAT'S BEING POSTED ON #AMIGAWORLD
[19:38:31] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Who will be responsible for the OS4 marketing. We all know how poor C= marketing was after the 64 was released with there be a hi profile scheme ?
[19:38:33] Invizix	No release only for 2005... what about 2006? -.-
[19:38:36] ChrisH	there's no join/quit thing in shangai :-(
[19:38:39] bobsonAWAY	is every frigging amigan here
[19:38:41] bobsonAWAY	Im sooo pissed
[19:38:46] _JaMiGa	mdr
[19:38:47] bobsonAWAY	but its my birthday HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[19:38:48] Jurassic_OS4	shut up bob
[19:38:51] Jurassic_OS4	;-)
[19:38:52] _JaMiGa	Fusion: la ferme!
[19:38:56] BOFH	happy birthday bob
[19:38:59] Nickman_A1200PPC	If you buy classic OS4 will there be a discount for other hw later on?
[19:39:02] cebollinOS39	os4 4 Pegajoso!!!!!
[19:39:06] tarbos	Question - what does the release of Pegasos II through Power.org with full (Marvell...) documentation on Jan 9th 2006 mean for your OS4 hardware roadmap?
[19:39:08] FALCON-1-	Mikey_C: nothing yet
[19:39:13] tarbos	:)
[19:39:21] cebollinOS39	os4 4 pegasos!!!!!
[19:39:26] cebollinOS39	sorry before :P
[19:39:30] ChrisH	what should I click in the shangai window????
[19:39:30] scuz	tarbos: nothing
[19:39:32] Seer	Not sure if they can/will answer this; has Hyperion considered buying the rights to Amiga not just having a license ?
[19:39:40] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Question: I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:39:46] tarbos	scuz: are you employed at hyperion? :)
[19:39:54] MiMe_OS4	?: are there any plans you know for a cdr/dvd recording program?
[19:39:55] mailman^	XBOX360 and AMigaOS 4.0? Is it possible? What are your opinions about it?
[19:39:59] Rigo	Your questions will get lost in all this mess, wait until the intro is over, then post again
[19:40:05] Darth_XP	Im sooo pissed <- LOL! 1 beer left here
[19:40:07] BlueTroll	As you said there will be interest of AmigaOS4 outside the Amiga market, does this mean you are making an Apple and release an x86 version?
[19:40:08] dEF_bASE	they're right about that anouncement..
[19:40:12] scuz	it's postponed forever :(
[19:40:17] ChrisH	aaargh, I can't read any messages. Sory for being lame, but how what do I click in the shangai?????????
[19:40:31] hnl_dk	What is the status of SNAP?
[19:40:32] Fusion	When will pourons to buy AmigaOS4 on Amiga 4000 PPC?
[19:40:33] AmigaMac	who is answering the questions?
[19:40:35] Nickman_A1200PPC	Now the good news! Classic OS4 pre release ? :)
[19:40:38] walkero_OS4	So, OS4 is ready and we just wait for the hardware?
[19:40:52] Valiant	Question: Will you be able to release 4.0 for hardware that is available (PPC-equipped classics)?
[19:40:56] scuz	walkero: it's an unresolvable deadlock between hardware and software
[19:41:04] MiMe_OS4	now!
[19:41:04] magic-xp-pro_suse-10	HI Mikey_C :)
[19:41:14] MiMe_OS4	yes!
[19:41:14] mac2gfx_osx	Which Hardware are you going to use now? Is Pegasos II an option?
[19:41:20] Nero_OS4	What is the release of 3d Game Quake3
[19:41:24] cebollinOS39	os4 on pegasos!!!!!
[19:41:27] dEF_bASE	they want to do what Microsoft do.. develop for a platofrm that doesn't exist.. it's not gonna work until there is hardware
[19:41:27] cebollinOS39	os4 on pegasos!!!!!
[19:41:37] hooligan_dcs_MOS	cebollinOS39: oh shut up will you
[19:41:42] Fusion	The mediatorPCI and the GREX will be supported by AmigaOS4?
[19:41:50] Darth_XP	I gotta work tonight, 11pm - 7am :/
[19:41:55] SLayeRDK	cebollinOS39 easy on the spammning
[19:41:56] ChrisH	#### sorry for being lame, but how do I stop join messages? Shangai thingy doesn't seem to have any options ###
[19:42:01] cebollinOS39	its the only hw ppc right now
[19:42:05] scuz	R200 is ultra-obsolete
[19:42:06] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	ChrisH - what client?
[19:42:09] Mupfman	Filtering!
[19:42:09] ChrisH	AmIRC
[19:42:14] ma_sehn671	Mediator! sopported or not supported?
[19:42:16] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	good question :)
[19:42:17] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Have hyperion been working on any "unknown" commercial entertainment titles and can they discuss them ?
[19:42:18] cebollinOS39	spamming? me?
[19:42:21] bobsonAWAY	!seen Jurassic_OS4
[19:42:36] texnofobix	will there be a release on ix86?
[19:42:37] BatteMan	The update 4 seems to be very full... Do you think you could sell OS4 after these release ?
[19:42:42] asian	Is there any bittorrent distribution or FTP mirror of the AmigaOS 4 ISO?
[19:42:42] umg_OS3	what about amy05 support and when?
[19:42:45] MiMe_OS4	now THAT will be cool. but in january... :-(
[19:42:48] Alkaron	QUESTION: Will there be any kind of software / drivers updating service (notice or automatic via internet) in the final os4.0..
[19:42:50] freaks	will the update 4 will contain the new memory management system ???
[19:42:51] ChrisH	#### sorry for being lame, but how do I stop join messages? AmIRC Shangai window doesn't seem to have any options ###
[19:43:04] mailman^	Will AmigaOS 4.0 support Mediator busboard? Is it even planned?
[19:43:12] XUser	ChrisH: right click the channel button, conference mode
[19:43:21] Nickman_A1200PPC	Does the scsi support include the scsi on the BlizzPPC
[19:43:36] ChrisH	XUser; THANKS! Sorry
[19:43:50] dEF_bASE	who is recording questions to be asked?
[19:43:51] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	Are there any plans to offen a home and a professional version of OS4.x similar to WinXP Home/Prof.?
[19:43:57] codesmith	when are we going to see an updated SDK?
[19:44:02] MiMe_OS4	now the hardware answer!
[19:44:06] Darth_XP	454
[19:44:14] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	Are there any plans to offen a home (for less money) and a professional (maybe server) version of OS4.x similar to WinXP Home/Prof.?
[19:44:16] Mikey_C-A1	We have not started looking for questions Rogue is speaking. Please WAIT!
[19:44:18] Mikey_C-A1	We have not started looking for questions Rogue is speaking. Please WAIT!
[19:44:19] Mikey_C-A1	We have not started looking for questions Rogue is speaking. Please WAIT!
[19:44:23] Darth_XP	456
[19:44:25] codesmith	sorry :)
[19:44:27] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	we don't care about new hardware, we want it to run on our old hardware!
[19:44:29] ironfist|AIX-POWER	didn't you already have scsi-support?!
[19:44:37] scuz	tonsofpcs_VideoToaster: the old hardware is too slow
[19:44:38] Sharakmir	Do you guys at Hyperion have ongoing contact with Eyetech?
[19:44:43] cebollinOS39	ChrisH: klik on the lagmeterr in shangai
[19:44:45] Invizix	omg t3h spam!
[19:44:47] Invizix	:P
[19:44:48] Mikey_C-A1	We have not started looking for questions Rogue is speaking. Please WAIT!
[19:44:48] Fusion	Will Y have to you it a rom 4.0 to receive AmigaOS4 or will be us obliged of reflasher the CyberstormPPC chart?
[19:44:48] Mikey_C-A1	We have not started looking for questions Rogue is speaking. Please WAIT!
[19:44:50] Mikey_C-A1	We have not started looking for questions Rogue is speaking. Please WAIT!
[19:44:51] Mikey_C-A1	We have not started looking for questions Rogue is speaking. Please WAIT!
[19:45:02] Invizix	ffs we read it the 1st time :P
[19:45:04] XUser	cebollinOS39: just use conference mode
[19:45:04] yn	mikey u should have said that earlier
[19:45:05] ironfist|AIX-POWER	chill out mikey
[19:45:08] dEF_bASE	this makes no sense.. why code an os for hardware that doesn't exist.. they must have a better idea of what's happening
[19:45:14] Mikey_C-A1	I am
[19:45:16] freaks	ok waiting then
[19:45:19] Mikey_C-A1	just letting you guys know :)
[19:45:21] Mikey_C-A1	sorry :)
[19:45:29] Rudei_OS4	Mikey_C-A1 you evil man :-)
[19:45:29] tarbos	cell, yess!!!
[19:45:32] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:45:33] Alkaron	MIkey: you are the best, we know that..
[19:45:38] Alkaron	LOL
[19:45:41] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Question: Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:45:41] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Question: I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:45:42] hooligan_dcs_MOS	dEF_bASE: its a hobby-os, remember ;)
[19:45:43] VidarL	QUESTION : Given the popularity of "safe" languages, do you have any plans to release a virtual machine based programming language like Java or .Net, with official Reaction bindings?
[19:45:44] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Would hyperion take resources of OS4 to help with the need for a decent Browser ?
[19:45:46] mac2gfx_osx	Which Hardware are you going to use now? Is Pegasos II an option?
[19:45:47] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Have hyperion been working on any "unknown" commercial entertainment titles and can they discuss them ?
[19:45:48] antique_OS39	will the amigaone be available again?
[19:45:48] dEF_bASE	hey hooli!
[19:45:51] Fonex	are the tv driver working yet
[19:45:51] VidarL	QUESTION : Are Hyperion in regular contact with Amiga?
[19:45:54] yn	Greeting hyperion, knowing what you know now, would you still have taken on development of os4?
[19:45:56] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Question: I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:45:59] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: what except the name is "amiga inc."s role in the whole os4.x development process?
[19:46:00] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Who will be responsible for the OS4 marketing. We all know how poor C= marketing was after the 64 was released with there be a hi profile scheme ?
[19:46:01] VidarL	QUESTION : If the decline of the PPC as a desktop processor family continue, do you have any contingency plans? Or are all your eggs in one basket?
[19:46:02] Nickman_A1200PPC	How is the licens buisnes with Amiga <-> Hyperion <-> HW done ? do you or don't you need a licens from Amiga.inc to make OS4 enabled HW ?
[19:46:05] Invizix	o.O
[19:46:06] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Can you discuss the PDA version of OS4 is this a real product or just something made in house as an experiment ?
[19:46:08] Mikey_C-A1	OKAY QUESTIONS NOW PLEASW!
[19:46:10] VidarL	QUESTION : On the OS4 site, you state that interested parties can contact Hyperion regarding porting OS4 to other platforms. Is this intended for embedded systems only where the customer writes custom applications for their use? Or how do you intend to run existing Amiga software on these platforms? Introduce fat binaries like Apple?
[19:46:11] asian	What do you mean by high end? IS it PowerPC 970 or Pwrficient?
[19:46:11] Alkaron	QUESTION: Will there be any kind of software / drivers updating service (notice or automatic via internet) in the final os4.0..
[19:46:12] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Question: Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:46:12] Mikey_C-A1	OKAY QUESTIONS NOW PLEASE!
[19:46:13] yn	Greeting hyperion, knowing what you know now, would you still have taken on development of os4?
[19:46:14] codesmith	QUESTION: When can we expect an updated SDK?
[19:46:14] Alkaron	QUESTION: Will there be any kind of software / drivers updating service (notice or automatic via internet) in the final os4.0..
[19:46:15] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:46:16] ironfist|AIX-POWER	Question: How did the Friedens managed to stay alive and pay rent during all this development. Any secret investor? Do you have normal day-time jobs?
[19:46:17] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Can you discuss the PDA version of OS4 is this a real product or just something made in house as an experiment ?
[19:46:18] Fransexy	will you port apps for amigaos4 or only concentrate in the os itself?
[19:46:18] Valiant	Happy Holidays! Now that OS4.0 is almost ready for release, do you have in mind a map for 4.1?
[19:46:22] Fransexy	a lot of people complaint obout the lack of about os4 specific programing info.Will you relese more documentation soon?
[19:46:22] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Who will be responsible for the OS4 marketing. We all know how poor C= marketing was after the 64 was released with there be a hi profile scheme ?
[19:46:22] mac2gfx_osx	Which Hardware are you going to use now? Is Pegasos II an option?
[19:46:25] VidarL	QUESTION : How much work do you estimate it will take to port OS4 to another architecture, for example x86?
[19:46:26] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Have hyperion been working on any "unknown" commercial entertainment titles and can they discuss them ?
[19:46:28] mortenskov	what
[19:46:31] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Would hyperion take resources of OS4 to help with the need for a decent Browser ?
[19:46:34] Steve|SMS	how about x86? Will there be support for the x86 based platform?
[19:46:43] mortenskov	what's in the final version that's missing for update 4
[19:46:44] BOFH	Question ... So Basically ... "ITS DONE" ?
[19:46:47] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: are there any plans (you know of) to bring a decent cd/dvd recording software to os4 (maybe convince the makecd author to port it)?
[19:46:47] ssolie	QUESTION: With so much new hardware coming up, how will the AmigaOS versioning work? 4.0 for Eyetech? 4.1 for Troika? 4.2 for X?
[19:46:48] yn	Will quake 3 be released with update 4?
[19:46:53] ^eliot	QUESTION: How good do memory protection, virtual memory and resource tracking work in current OS4? Which limitations are there?
[19:47:03] asian	IS there any bittorrent / FTP Mirror distribution for the ISO?
[19:47:05] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:47:06] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:47:10] Whitesnake	QUESTION: Will there be support for the x86 based platform?
[19:47:11] ^eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[19:47:21] Seer	Not sure if they can/will answer this; has Hyperion considered buying the rights to Amiga not just having a license ?
[19:47:24] quadpol	What will the final version contain that's missing for update 4
[19:47:28] Fusion	can one use AmigaOS4.0?
[19:47:32] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:47:35] asian	Any plan by Hyperion to buy Amiga Inc, if there is sufficient capital?
[19:47:36] Showman_Q	These companies has already their own market?
[19:47:38] scuz	QUESTION: Why didn't you encapsulate legacy processes in subsystems similar to Win16-on-Win32? We could have full memory protection by now!
[19:47:38] Fransexy	QUESTION: what do you think about the possibilitie that os4 run on x86 hardware via the pearpc emulator?
[19:47:51] ma_sehn424	classicPPC??????????????
[19:48:01] rzookol_mos	What about os4 port for pegasos ?
[19:48:03] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Can you comment on the unavailability rumours regarding Eyetech and A1 availibility ?
[19:48:11] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:48:12] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:48:12] ssolie	QUESTION: Mesa looks really interesting. How much integration into AmigaOS are you expecting to do? Will there be a mesa.library for example?
[19:48:13] ^eliot	QUESTION: How good do memory protection, virtual memory and resource tracking work in current OS4? Which limitations are there?
[19:48:13] goldfish1	when will they start to answers questions
[19:48:13] asian	Is there any license problem with Troika? Why Amiga Inc did not release statement?
[19:48:14] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: regarding the number of open ussues on the bugzilla os4 list - how much is really missing for a so called "release"? if everything is fixed and you can/will not release it - what are you doing then?
[19:48:24] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:48:24] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:48:26] AmigaMac	will there eventually be a full implementation of OpenGL for OS4?
[19:48:30] alef4000	QUESTION: http://aminor.info/HyperionQuestion.txt
[19:48:30] LingXioay	QUESTION: AmigaOne systems have pci and agp, are you going to write software to support standard hardware out there, Nvidia, realtek etc etc?
[19:48:37] dEF_bASE	AmigaMac, makes more sense to port SDL firstr
[19:48:45] VidarL	QUESTION: Given that you're talking to several hardware companies, it seems it will take a few months at least before one can expect it available in shops, correct?
[19:48:46] AmigaMac	true
[19:48:50] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	Why waiting hardware and not use Pegasos hardware ?
[19:49:00] texnofobix	will there be any teamwork with the KDE Plasma project?
[19:49:03] Fusion	if I use my Amiga 4000 AmigaOS4 pennies, I will have the compatibility of old plays AGA?
[19:49:25] Nero_OS4	Rouge:answer the ask of German?
[19:49:27] _JaMiGa	:D
[19:49:34] Fonex	dont know iff the qyestion has been here yet, but what about the tv-out, are ther any driver in the next opdate
[19:49:36] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:49:37] Invizix	Will OS4 be compatible with Dragon Coldfire? :)
[19:49:38] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Nero_OS4 - english only tehy said
[19:49:40] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:49:41] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:49:42] Nickman_A1200PPC	question 1: Does the scsi support include the scsi on the BlizzPPC
[19:49:42] Nickman_A1200PPC	question 2: If you buy classic OS4 will there be a discount for other hw later on?
[19:49:42] Nickman_A1200PPC	question 3: How is the porting of SNAP coming along ?
[19:49:42] asian	Is there any plan to support SMP, cluster etc?
[19:49:44] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: but SNAP *will* be in the final release?
[19:49:46] yn	Is there a new projected date for os4 finals release?
[19:49:49] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	Are there any plans to offen a home (for less money) and a professional (maybe server) version of OS4.x similar to WinXP Home/Prof. ?
[19:49:55] Hombre	Will SNAP be included in the final release, or not at all ?
[19:49:57] djnaff}	!seen mossup
[19:49:58] quadpol	What is the status of OS4 for Classic Amiga PPC hardware - is it on pair with the one for AOne?
[19:49:59] freaks	QUESTION: how stable will be update4 and os4 final ? i'm asking about average uptime os4 will be able to reach
[19:50:03] Alchemy	thank you DaveyD
[19:50:10] antique_OS39	is amigainput going to be included in update 4?
[19:50:11] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: will the radeon drivers be updated for #4 (overlay for example)?
[19:50:16] damned	question: can finally use joystick/jopad with update 4?
[19:50:29] Rudei_OS4	damned thats a ood question
[19:50:32] Rudei_OS4	+g
[19:50:33] goldfish1	so what is the big news
[19:50:35] ToAks_OS4	antique_OS39: no
[19:50:35] UltraGelb_Peg2	If update#4 (which comes in january) would have been the final version and the final version can't be released in 2005 due to lack of hardware, how does this fit together?
[19:50:40] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Will OS4 Final see Catweasel Support ot Native Floppy Support
[19:50:40] UltraGelb_Peg2	just a heap of BS
[19:50:42] dEF_bASE	python. jeez, waste of time
[19:50:44] UltraGelb_Peg2	as expected
[19:50:45] Anubis^	will update #4 include 'non blocking' windows?
[19:50:50] Invizix	PERL
[19:50:52] Invizix	:P
[19:50:55] MZuX	Will there be a taskmanager to kill processes and priorize them?
[19:50:58] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:50:58] Invizix	Will OS4 be compatible with Dragon Coldfire? :)
[19:50:59] Darth_XP	QUESTION: will Amiga-Anywhere be ported to OS4?
[19:51:03] Alchemy	Invizix: perl is already semi ported to the amiga :)
[19:51:03] Fransexy	nnooooooooooooooooooooooo i want reeeeexxxxxxxxxxxxxx!!!!!!!!
[19:51:06] AmigaMac	Is Eyetech still committed to the MicroA1?
[19:51:07] spotUP	any news on aga compatibility/emulation except trough uae? is cloanto on it?
[19:51:09] Invizix	Alchemy: ah ok
[19:51:09] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:51:10] tonsofpcs_VideoToaster	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:51:14] ironfist|AIX-POWER	QUESTION: Who will market AmigaOS4 once it goes final? And how?
[19:51:18] Nero_OS4	Why only in English?
[19:51:24] Alchemy	Invizix: its been like that for a while I think :P
[19:51:25] tomazkid	QUESTION: any work going on regarding MUI4 for OS4 ?
[19:51:25] cebollinOS39	dragon is vapor.......
[19:51:28] tonsofpcs	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:51:29] tonsofpcs	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:51:30] Sharakmir	What is the official explanation to the lack of AmigaOnes? Will there be no more A1's ever?
[19:51:35] Joggl	hi Nero_OS4
[19:51:37] pentrite	Give us a real world example of speed improvment using Petunia.
[19:51:37] dEF_bASE	someone should give the coders amigas.. that way more stuff might get coded :)
[19:51:39] Old_Man_Bobson	What do you think of Morphos (hehe :P )
[19:51:40] Oblivion	what direction will the OS development go after the first official release? MultiUser? DualCore Support?
[19:51:43] TrevorDick	When do you expect the various hardware companies to announce their products?
[19:51:46] _Chain_	Q: low-end@high-end market? will be lowend someting under L400?
[19:51:47] Argo	How well does OS4 integrate into a Windows or mixed network? Not just for internet access but shared devices.
[19:51:47] Matt_H	Are there any plans to make use of the now-opensource PegasosII hardware?
[19:51:47] Showman_Q	These companies has already their own market or they are "startup companies"?
[19:51:48] Mupfman	Hier gehts ab...
[19:51:48] Old_Man_Bobson	What do you think of Amiga inc (HAHA :P )
[19:51:52] Rudei_OS4	UltraGelb_Peg2 please give them a chance to answer the questions, then draw your opinions ok, oh and please mind the language
[19:51:52] ShadesOfGrey	Question: Any chance of seeing some OS4 improvements back ported to OS 3.x (incl. AF200#)? I think those of us still 'stuck' with AOS 3.x would be willing to pay upto US$50 for such additions.
[19:51:55] Invizix	QUESTION: Will OS4 be compatible with Dragon Coldfire, how about SharkPPC? :)
[19:51:55] tonsofpcs	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:51:55] tonsofpcs	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:51:58] Fransexy	QUESTION: why phyton?why not enhace arexx,?there are object rexx and netrexx!
[19:52:00] freaks	QUESTION: when are we going to see up to date programing tutorials for os4 ?
[19:52:04] yn	What do you believe is the most important piece of software that os4 needs but currently does not have?
[19:52:17] Nero_OS4	Hyperion knows nevertheless German
[19:52:26] AmigaMac	why replace AREXX? Couldn't you evolve it like Apple has with AppleScript?
[19:52:26] Nero_OS4	;-)
[19:52:28] Mupfman	yn: a browser?
[19:52:35] yn	i want them to answer :p
[19:52:37] ajk	someone would have to translate into english
[19:52:38] Chris_Y	QUESTION: How early is "early January"? :-)
[19:52:43] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Can you comment on any possible CPU upgrades that may or may not be available for the A1 ?
[19:52:44] Fonex	QUESTION: about the tv-out drivers are ther in the next update ore in the final
[19:52:47] mschulz_AROS	Regina could be used as new AREXX
[19:52:47] goldfish1	j
[19:52:55] ironfist|AIX-POWER	QUESTION: Who will market AmigaOS4 once it goes final? And how? Do you have any special marketing budget?
[19:52:59] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:53:00] ChrisH	QUESTION: Will SNAP be in OS4.0 (final)?
[19:53:04] mschulz_AROS	llvm could be used as virtual machine
[19:53:10] tonsofpcs	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:53:11] Invizix	L8-X: you should have reworded that lol
[19:53:11] tonsofpcs	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:53:12] tonsofpcs	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:53:14] tonsofpcs	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:53:18] Fusion	Question: Will AmigaOS4 turn to you it with the plays 3d on Amiga 4000 PPC?
[19:53:19] ^eliot	QUESTION: How good do memory protection, virtual memory and resource tracking work in current OS4? Which limitations are there?
[19:53:22] asian	Question: Is there any plan to port AmigaDE / AA to AmigaOS 4?
[19:53:22] Argo	How do you feel being games porters has affected the development of OS 4?
[19:53:29] Alkaron	Kick that tonsofpc.. he repeats himself over and over
[19:53:31] ma_sehn424	question: whats with ClassicPPC?
[19:53:34] Zorix	is there any plan to work with newtek for video editing software/hardware
[19:53:39] etho	what have changed in the new intuition?
[19:53:40] DrBombcrater	question: does Hyperion still reject the idea of an x86 OS4 port?
[19:53:45] asian	Question: What is this rumour about AmigaOS 4 for PowerPC 405?
[19:53:56] Nero_OS4	Hyperion:Wie weit ist AmigaOs4.0 in seiner jetzigen entwicklung? 70% 80% oder sogar noch mehr?
[19:53:56] LingXioay	QUESTION: well there be any legal issues with individuals writing software drivers to support hardware that are not orginally in your database?
[19:53:59] richp	QUESTION: are there any plans on porting os4 to playstation3, when its released?
[19:54:00] Curty	Question:Where do Hyperion see themselves going after the release of OS4?
[19:54:02] yn	What do you believe is the most important piece of software that os4 needs but currently does not have?
[19:54:03] etho	want os4 on x86^^^
[19:54:06] ToAks_OS4	must be a lame rumor as i never heard about it
[19:54:10] Steve|SMS	How about the X86 version of AmigaOS 4.0?
[19:54:13] Cule	@tonsofpcs oo=D (o(
[19:54:14] yn	hey slash
[19:54:16] jthomas	any crosscompiler or cross-SDK/IDE planned in near future (waiting for new hardware)?
[19:54:18] foody	did the discussion begin?
[19:54:31] tonsofpcs	yes, foody
[19:54:33] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:54:38] Invizix	foody: yes
[19:54:42] quadpol	What is the status of OS4 for Classic (BPPC/CPPC) hardware? Is it on pair with the status for AOne?
[19:54:46] mdma	Is there any chance of Update #4 being released for BlizzardPPC users if we pay for the privilege?
[19:54:46] foody	Well tonsofpcs since I have missed so much, please tell me is it good news or bad news?
[19:54:50] firbodi1	Question: What is the situation of floppy support in OS4 on A1 and classic?
[19:54:51] Invizix	and my damn question isn't being asked :P
[19:54:52] Darth_XP	snuffy!
[19:54:52] foody	is os 4.0 going to see light or not?
[19:54:56] Invizix	lol
[19:55:00] Fransexy	QUESTION: any plan to make a cross compiler hosted on amigaos3.x?
[19:55:08] Invizix	foody: Update #4
[19:55:10] Invizix	in January
[19:55:23] ajk	foody: There will be a fourth update in january, which will have almost all the features - the final version will be released later when there is new hardware to sell it with
[19:55:25] Granada	hrhrhr. No memory protection?
[19:55:29] jerryuk007	> Great news...
[19:55:30] OneOfNine	Question: Whats happening with the AmigaOS 4 for PowerUP Cards... with PCI Boards ?
[19:55:33] Invizix	and according to Hyperion is basically "final"
[19:55:34] SLayeRDK	Invizix theres a million questions and few to spot them
[19:55:40] Granada	Innovation is not an option!
[19:55:45] dEF_bASE	granada, hah
[19:55:46] Snuffy	State of Petutunia, please?
[19:55:51] raef[amiga]	so wen do i get a sharkppc ?
[19:55:52] Invizix	SLayeRDK: :P
[19:55:52] Invizix	I know
[19:55:52] Invizix	;)
[19:55:58] ajk	petunia will be included in the next update
[19:56:05] Whitesnake	QUESTION: What about expansion and support for a wider platform instead of a niche custom ppc market.
[19:56:14] yn	What is the new projected date for os4 finals release?
[19:56:15] Invizix	raef[amiga]: Elbox says when OS4 is released
[19:56:16] hooligan_dcs_MOS	question: how does Hyperion finance themselves. as there is no os4 to sell, no money from there.. and last years have been pretty quiet on porting-front aswell
[19:56:17] Fusion	Question: Can have to be a betatestor of AmigaOS4 of our day?
[19:56:19] quadpol	What is the status of OS4 for Classic (BPPC/CPPC) hardware? Is it on pair with the status for AOne?
[19:56:39] SLayeRDK	Invizix try again later (5-10 mins) you might get lucky :)
[19:56:41] Steve|SMS	Will there be compatability with existing PC graphics card, eg. nVidia, GeForce, ... And what architecture will it use, AGP or PCI-expess?
[19:56:41] tomazkid	QUESTION: Will there be full Catweasel support in OS4 ?
[19:56:46] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:56:56] scuz	QUESTION: No memory protection, no resource tracking... What's the point of releasing AmigaOS 4.0 in the 3rd millennium?
[19:57:03] asian	What about the future relationship between Eyetech and Hyperion?
[19:57:06] Invizix	Steve|SMS: that's hardware question not software
[19:57:06] Invizix	heh
[19:57:07] _Chain_	plz dont use colors
[19:57:08] Raziel_OS4	Snuffy: Petunia will be in Update#4!
[19:57:12] Invizix	PCI-E on Amiga = no go
[19:57:12] Invizix	:P
[19:57:24] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: are the plans by amiga inc. still valid to release the next updates (os4.1, os4.2, ...) in much shorter periods of time - aka yearly
[19:57:29] Deniil	QUESTION: Will the Grim Reaper be able to catch crashes that occur within graphics/intuition.library caused by incorrect pointers, or will it lock upp the system in OS4 final as well? This problem is very annoying during development and testing.
[19:57:30] dEF_bASE	scuz, windows doesn't have (good) resource tracking either :)
[19:57:40] raef[amiga]	so wen do i get a sharkppc ? wen os4 is out ????????????
[19:57:45] codesmith	yes, what Deniil said
[19:57:46] scuz	def: it does
[19:57:50] Darth_XP	The relationship between Hyperion and Eyetech is as always - we're doing the software, Eyetech is doing the hardware.
[19:57:56] Fusion	Question: how to have a OS4 on Amiga 4000 PPC?
[19:58:01] Granada	raef[amiga]: When it's done.
[19:58:02] ma_sehn424	wieso wollen die mein Geld nicht (ClassicPPC)
[19:58:09] tonsofpcs	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:58:09] tonsofpcs	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[19:58:12] Steve|SMS	Invizix : i meant support in OS4 ;)
[19:58:16] Cule	@tonsofpcs oo=D (o(
[19:58:18] dEF_bASE	now that's interesting.. ogl support..
[19:58:19] Snuffy	Raziel_OS4 Thanks! :)
[19:58:20] Invizix	;P
[19:58:30] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[19:58:34] Invizix	I doubt that Hyperion would even consider it since Amiga has no PCI-E hardware :(
[19:58:37] Invizix	would be cool though
[19:58:38] Invizix	:D
[19:58:42] yn	hang on
[19:58:44] yn	what about ack?
[19:58:49] AmigaMac	what about Pegasos?
[19:58:51] yn	they said they would release hardware
[19:58:53] raef[amiga]	os 4 w8 s for new h/w but i need just a ppc shark with os4 14 times
[19:58:53] Argo	Was has been the hardest part of the developing the OS?
[19:58:54] yn	when os4 is rdy..
[19:59:03] SLayeRDK	tonsofpcs limited how much classic hw there is, and to sell os 4 they need hw to run it on
[19:59:09] yn	and hyperion have said they will release os4 when the hardware is ready
[19:59:15] yn	whats the deal with that?
[19:59:15] scuz	QUESTION: Why are you releasing too little, too late?
[19:59:18] Alkaron	QUESTION: Does OS4.0 support USB2 / Firewire etc..
[19:59:23] Rudei_OS4	argo I can answer that one, the users :-)
[19:59:25] tonsofpcs	SLayeRDK - so far everyone that wants OS4 has hardware.......
[19:59:29] Mikey_C-A1	scuz watch it!
[19:59:34] Fusion	Question: SharkPPC will be you it supported by AmigaOS4?
[19:59:40] ^eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for Peg???
[19:59:44] tonsofpcs	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[19:59:46] XrAyZ	question: will i have a good chance of buying a new amiga in 2006?
[19:59:48] ajk	the people that have hardware will get Update #4
[19:59:52] Fonex	QUESTIOM: is the tv-out driver comming in the next update or in os 4.0 final
[19:59:53] ajk	which is very close to the final version
[19:59:55] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[20:00:00] SLayeRDK	tonsofpcs yes and no, i dont have, and new users dont have either
[20:00:05] _Chain_	XrAyZ good q
[20:00:07] ajk	so basically people don't really need the final version that bad
[20:00:08] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Can you comment on any possible CPU upgrades that may or may not be available for the A1 ?
[20:00:13] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Will OS4 Final see Catweasel Support ot Native Floppy Support
[20:00:18] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Can you comment on the unavailability rumours regarding Eyetech and A1 availibility ?
[20:00:22] yn	ACK have stated they will release their hardware when OS4 is ready, how does this correlate to what you said about the lack of christmas release for os4?
[20:00:27] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Would hyperion take resources of OS4 to help with the need for a decent Browser ?
[20:00:35] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Have hyperion been working on any "unknown" commercial entertainment titles and can they discuss them ?
[20:00:44] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Who will be responsible for the OS4 marketing. We all know how poor C= marketing was after the 64 was released with there be a hi profile scheme ?
[20:00:53] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Have hyperion been working on any "unknown" commercial entertainment titles and can they discuss them ?
[20:00:59] dEF_bASE	Jurassic, if games titles aren't announced they're under NDA .. that's how it works
[20:01:03] yn	ACK have stated they will release their hardware when OS4 is ready, how does this correlate to what you said about the lack of christmas release for os4?
[20:01:03] tonsofpcs	Will the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer software/hardware, as well as other hardware that requires proper Zorro/Video support, run properly with OS4?
[20:01:10] Invizix	QUESTION: Will OS4 be compatible with Dragon Coldfire and SharkPPC? What about classic PPC boards?
[20:01:19] Fransexy	QUESTION: with the opengl implementation could be possible to have various 3d cards any of them running a diferent game with 3d acceleration?
[20:01:22] Nero_OS4	Hyperion:Can help with port KHTML für Aos4.0?
[20:01:24] asian	Question: Can someone from Hyperion Management join /answer the questions?
[20:01:30] Fusion	Question: on will Amiga 4000 PPC pourons to be used the disk drive to format?
[20:01:33] Nero_OS4	Hyperion:Can help with port KHTML for Aos4.0?
[20:01:33] ssolie	QUESTION: Are you expecting to offer some sort of premium developer support we can pay for? Something along the same lines as CATS used to offer?
[20:01:42] pentrite	Are you guys already working in OS4.1?
[20:01:50] Snuffy	Jurassic_OS4 All your questions will keep us here to mid-night!!! :)
[20:01:53] Oblivion	Advanced topics here ... some years ago, we did a research project involving multikernel OS: each process got attached a nanokernel and shared memory was obtained through address remapping. We got SMP as a free bonus. The project was abandoned due to the inability to boot linux and extremely high overhead, but the concept could still be useful to AmigaOS ... what about something similiar for AOS 4.x?
[20:01:59] yn	ACK have stated they will release their hardware when OS4 is ready, how does this correlate to what you said about the lack of christmas release for os4?
[20:02:07] Fonex	way wont u post my QUESTION about tv drivers
[20:02:13] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: will full dvi support for dvi-able graphic cards/monitors make it into update#4 or the final one?
[20:02:16] tonsofpcs	Will hardware/software that requires proper Zorro and Classic Amiga Video support, such as the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer system, work properly with OS4?
[20:02:38] Fonex	QUESTIOM: is the tv-out driver comming in the next update or in the os 4.0 final
[20:02:41] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[20:02:42] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	QUESTION PLEASE : Why waiting hardware and not use Pegasos hardware ?
[20:02:43] Mikey_C-A1	Fonex give us a chance! there are over 400 people in here all asking questions, we can't catch all of them!
[20:02:54] yn	ACK have stated they will release their hardware when OS4 is ready, how does this correlate to what you said about the lack of christmas release for os4?
[20:03:04] GuruMeditation	QUESTION: Commodore was quite excellent when it came to documentation. Will you, or anyone else print any documentation for OS4, or will it be digital only?
[20:03:05] raef[amiga]	491 ppl
[20:03:21] graham	eople that have hardware will get Update #4
[20:03:21] graham	[19:59:54] QUESTIOM: is the tv-out driver comming in the next update or in os 4.0 final
[20:03:32] Rudei_OS4	Guys, spamming your questions over and over won't get them asked any quicker ok... please be patient
[20:03:40] BigBentheAussie441	:)
[20:03:41] yn	ok sorry
[20:03:44] raef[amiga]	i need os 4 for to get a sharkppc and later a new comp
[20:03:44] Rudei_OS4	np
[20:03:45] SLayeRDK	to all: please show some patience
[20:03:52] Hot_Rod	I've got a question for hyperion
[20:03:52] AmigaMac	any possible collaboration with the *new* Commodore in the future?
[20:03:55] magic-xp-pro_suse-10	Question: A while a go I brought the domain amigaos4.com I am willing to give up this domain to hyperion I have tryed to contact you about this issue yet no answer I have the domain for two years please contact me if you are still interested;) Im willing to give it up for free
[20:04:03] _Chain_	Q bout thar lowend market, whats that?
[20:04:07] UltraGelb_Peg2	" Update #4 : no, most likely not. OS4 final: Yes." woot, but update#4 was for 2005 and was only postponed because of no h/w
[20:04:10] UltraGelb_Peg2	more lies
[20:04:11] Chris_Y	QUESTION: Will AmigaInput make it into Update 4, and which devices does it support?
[20:04:18] Invizix	QUESTION: Will OS4 be compatible with Dragon Coldfire and SharkPPC? What about classic PPC boards?
[20:04:27] LinusG	Is SNAP still planned for the final release?
[20:04:28] dEF_bASE	Question: Hardware support (specifically, driver development for anything other than the most popular hardware) is a serious issue for Linux. How do you intend to address driver development and hardware support to avoid (or reduce) the issues that Linux has?
[20:04:35] Wizzard_o-OS4	question: How's the vixxen project coming along?
[20:04:35] Hot_Rod	how is the new eth3com.device working? will it reach full speed over internet and not drop connection?
[20:04:43] RussellB	How is OS4 Final going to be distributed to users?
[20:04:45] codesmith	invizix: OS4 is PPC only so no coldfire
[20:04:53] jerryuk007	People with HW will get OS4_Upd4... What's about second-hand buyer ? (I never managed to gain access to AW "restricted" area before they were "unlocked"...)
[20:05:13] Invizix	well, I mean when the codefire is combined together with the SharkPPC
[20:05:17] tons	Will hardware/software that requires proper Zorro and Classic Amiga Video support, such as the Video Toaster and Video Toaster Flyer system, work properly with OS4?
[20:05:21] Nickman_A1200PPC	please ask some os4 for classic questions
[20:05:22] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: will the radeon drivers be updated for #4 (overlay for example)?
[20:05:32] quadpol	What is the status of OS4 for Classic (BPPC/CPPC) hardware? Is it on pair with the status for AOne?
[20:05:37] dEF_bASE	thanks Steve
[20:05:39] texnofobix	how easy will Linux applications be supported in OS4?
[20:05:40] XrAyZ	question: will i have a good chance of buying a new "OS4 based amiga" in 2006?
[20:05:41] _Steve_	np
[20:05:45] Wibble	Q: Who's in charge of Amiga Inc. since Garry Hare's depature?
[20:05:51] Hombre	QUESTION : Can you tell us finally what is this mistery device ?
[20:05:54] mschulz_AROS	question: would you mind allowing AROS to be source-compatible with OS4?
[20:06:00] mdma	Is there any chance of Update #4 being released for BlizzardPPC users if we pay for the privilege? I really would like to buy it ASAP
[20:06:10] FryGuy	question: will os4 support tvout?
[20:06:13] Fusion	Question: do you have a date of exit official of AmigaOS4 on Amiga 4000 PPC???
[20:06:15] _Chain_	Question: will i have a good chance of buying a new "OS4 based amiga" in 2006?
[20:06:16] jthomas	any crosscompiler or cross-SDK/IDE planned in near future (waiting for new hardware)?
[20:06:31] quadpol	What is the status of OS4 for Classic (BPPC/CPPC) hardware? Is it on pair with the status for AOne?
[20:06:48] VidarL	QUESTION : If the decline of the PPC as a desktop processor family continue, do you have any contingency plans? Or are all your eggs in one basket?
[20:06:53] VidarL	QUESTION : How much work do you estimate it will take to port OS4 to another architecture, for example x86?
[20:06:56] Poweramig	How advanced have the video drivers become so far and in final OS4 whats the latest Radeon card we can use to attain both 2d and 3 d ?
[20:07:11] Matt_H	QUESTION: Is ixemul.library support still planned?
[20:07:13] asian	Question: On Linux, it is possible to use Windows WIFI Driver. Is it possible in AmigaOS4?
[20:07:17] yn	Greeting hyperion, have you kidnapped Helgis? He dosen't seem to be around ;)
[20:07:22] VidarL	QUESTION : On the OS4 site, you state that interested parties can contact Hyperion regarding porting OS4 to other platforms. Is this intended for embedded systems only where the customer writes custom applications for their use? Or how do you intend to run existing Amiga software on these platforms? Introduce fat binaries like Apple?
[20:07:29] haymiggaOS4	Question: Using AmigaOS4 partitioned harddrives connected via USB is not working well to say the least in pre3, will this work in Update4?
[20:07:34] dEF_bASE	asian, wifi support in linux sucks.. see the question that just got asked and answered.
[20:07:38] cebollinOS39	QUESTION: there are a possibility to see in future os4 on pegasos?
[20:07:43] MZuX	QUESTION:Is OS4 ported to many embedded devices already?
[20:07:59] tokai	Q: genesi has announced to open all specs for the Pegasos2 computers. Isn't that information enough to make required modifications to let run AmigaOS4 on this hardware platform?
[20:08:09] yn	nice q tokai
[20:08:21] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	+1 tokai :-)
[20:08:21] quadpol	Concerning OS4 for Classic-PPC hardware: Will it be released only when it has "final status"?
[20:08:30] micronuke|OSX	+1 tokai
[20:08:32] tons	Will classic hardware implementations be fully functional with OS4, such as the Zorro hardware and classic Amiga video slots? If so, does this mean that hardware such as the Video Toaster will run?
[20:08:55] Yoodoo2	Is Ben H still manager of Hyperion? Why isn'the taking part in the chat?
[20:09:13] Fusion	Question: AmigaOS4 will be you he supported by a computer like mac G5?
[20:09:22] codesmith	Ben was abducted by Garry :)
[20:09:23] Showman_Q	These new companies (so not troika or eyetech) has already their own market or they are "startup companies"?
[20:09:40] dEF_bASE	64bit support?/?
[20:09:46] Fonex	QUESTIOM: how many software companys does hyperion have a contract with, about make os 4.0 software
[20:09:48] tons	500!
[20:09:53] umg_OS3	503
[20:09:59] Wibble	Q: Since OS4 is delayed until H/W is available, will you allow Olaf to release Roadshow for 68k before OS4 final?
[20:10:10] raef[amiga]	500 ppl
[20:10:10] Capehill	QUESTION: will there be public & free SDK with cross-compilers?
[20:10:19] Invizix	Question: instead of waiting for "new" hardware, why not work in conjunction with Elbox; that way SharkPPC, and OS4 can be available at the same time. Kind of like a filler.
[20:10:30] Alkaron	QUESTION: WILL there be any chance of a CAPTURE in txt-format of all the question that been aswered later (on f.i. amigworlds homepage) Got to go now..
[20:10:35] codesmith	capehill: alrady asked that, it will be released shortly after #4
[20:10:43] Capehill	ah, sorry, missed
[20:10:48] ajk	Alkaron: I'm sure you will see such logs on many sites
[20:10:52] ajk	not to worry
[20:10:53] codesmith	np :)
[20:10:55] tons	Will classic Zorro hardware be supported in full, or will new drivers and new software need to be written for them?
[20:10:56] SLayeRDK	Alchemy thinks thats a yes there will be
[20:11:01] hnl_dk	alkaron: I am going to safe the log
[20:11:01] spotUP	QUESTION: any plans on porting AmigaOS 4.0 to Pegasos2?
[20:11:04] Fransexy	will be amigaos 64 bit version?
[20:11:06] dEF_bASE	ok so old windows fat32 issue, heh
[20:11:13] asian	Question: Is there any sharing partition, Virtual machine with Linux PowerPC?
[20:11:15] Fusion	Question: will AmigaOS4 function you it with the voodoo3 3000 of my Amiga 4000 PPC + mediatorPCI?
[20:11:18] Jurassic_OS4	outcast use #3 to comment ;-)
[20:11:27] Alkaron	ajk: Yeah.. hope so to, cause this is kind of nervewrecking more than enlightening..
[20:11:29] ShadesOfGrey	Question: How far off, roughly, do you plan/see embedded devices coming to market utilizing AOS4?
[20:11:36] quadpol	Do you have a cold?
[20:11:37] Jurassic_OS4	oneset of ruleseh ;-)
[20:11:57] Fusion	Question: in does AmigaOS4 have to you it there them font antialiasing?
[20:12:01] hnl_dk	Question: What are the plans after AmigaOS 4.0 final ;-)
[20:12:02] Invizix	Question: instead of waiting for "new" hardware, why not work in conjunction with Elbox; that way SharkPPC, and OS4 can be available at the same time. Kind of like a filler.
[20:12:08] codesmith	question: what about some form of built-in samba?
[20:12:19] cyberhusky	Question: Will we see AOS4 on PDA or smartphones? If Yes are they PPC powered or ARM devices? Thx
[20:12:21] jerryuk007	@Fuzion... I have Voodoo3 in my A1,Works like a charm...
[20:12:28] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	Q: genesi has announced to open all specs for the Pegasos2 computers. Isn't that information enough to make required modifications to let run AmigaOS4 on this hardware platform?
[20:12:30] dEF_bASE	codesmith, it's more sensible to port samba and leave it as an o/s module as it needs regular updating..
[20:12:32] Elwood	hnl_dk: 4.1 of course :-)
[20:12:41] Joe	QUESTION: do they have 64bit filesystem too? :)
[20:13:17] Fusion	Question: if I install AmigaOS4, will have there average to play QuakeII more quickly?
[20:13:26] codesmith	oh yeah, what Joe said. There was some annoucement at a show but the rest of us never got details
[20:13:29] Nickman_A1200PPC	[20:49] Nickman_A1200PPC: question 1: Does the scsi support include the scsi on the BlizzPPC
[20:13:29] Nickman_A1200PPC	question 2: If you buy classic OS4 will there be a discount for other hw later on?
[20:13:29] Nickman_A1200PPC	question 3: How is the porting of SNAP coming along ?
[20:13:37] hnl_dk	Elwood: ;-)
[20:13:40] Oblivion	PA-Semi, xenon, cell, ... everything is multicore, nowadays. Any plans to add support?
[20:13:42] jerryuk007	Question: Will Screen-dragging be implemented in OS4.x ?
[20:13:59] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: regarding the number of open ussues on the bugzilla os4 list - how much is really missing for a so called "release"? if everything is fixed and you can/will not release it - what are you doing then?
[20:14:02] Fusion	Question: In when AmigaOS4.1 for the users of AmigaOne and Amiga 4000 PPC?
[20:14:06] Fransexy	good question oblivion it´s the future
[20:14:19] Rudei_OS4	jerryuk007 its already in the latest beta is it not?
[20:14:26] yn	ACK have stated they will release their hardware when OS4 is ready, how does this correlate to what you said about the lack of christmas release for os4?
[20:14:29] Chris_Y	QUESTION: Are there plans for the USB stack to support PTP (for digital cameras), and is the USB printer support being improved to support the IEEE "Dot4" protocol?
[20:14:34] dEF_bASE	Question: With the popularity of WINE for Linux, any plans for an Amiga version?
[20:14:48] RussellB	QUESTION: How is OS4 Final going to be distributed to users who own AmigaOnes?
[20:14:49] ajk	wine would really need X86
[20:14:50] yn	wine is popular?
[20:14:51] hnl_dk	Question: Are there any current plans for AmigaOS 4.1?
[20:14:54] tons	dEF_bASE - you gotta go ask the WINE team :)
[20:15:03] Invizix	dEF_bASE: ummm WINE is x86 code
[20:15:03] MZuX	i prefer beer :)
[20:15:09] dEF_bASE	tons, sure, but I'm not talking WINE port, I'm talking new WINE equivalent
[20:15:11] BlueTroll	QUESTION: As you said there will be interest of AmigaOS4 outside the Amiga market, does this mean you are making an Apple and release an x86 version?
[20:15:12] zerec478	how good is the os4 jit compared to real 68k? any benchmarks there? maxon4d, h&p voxel, etc.?
[20:15:16] tons	ajk - wine doesn't need to be x86
[20:15:21] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:15:22] dEF_bASE	nono, not a Wine port, a Wine equivalent
[20:15:32] mschulz_AROS	question: would you mind allowing AROS to be source-compatible with OS4?
[20:15:33] Invizix	dEF_bASE: it doesn't emulate cpu code, it's an API wrapper :)
[20:15:45] dEF_bASE	Invizix, I know :)
[20:15:45] Matt_H	QUESTION: Will A1 users see a UBoot update in the near future? Rumor has it that it will address issues with the VIA southbridge. Might this fix the DMA/Ethernet lockup bug?
[20:15:47] AmigaMac	YES, OS4 for Pegasos?
[20:15:49] Showman_Q	These new companies (so not troika or eyetech) has already their own market or they are "startup companies"? in NO, wich is the size of their market?(more or less)
[20:15:56] ajk	tons: No, but it would need to run X86 code to be useful, so at least an emulator would be required in addition
[20:16:09] Maria	Question: Will OS4 come in a nice box and stuff like that for AmigaOne owners?
[20:16:11] MZuX	Q:Does #4 need UBOOT update?
[20:16:12] dEF_bASE	ajk, why would it need x86?
[20:16:13] Beeblebrox	does Hollywood work again properly on uAOne ? With the intuition-update of pre3 there are distorted graphics
[20:16:20] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Are they still plans for OS4 and Amiga DE to come together or are they two seperate products now ?
[20:16:23] quadpol	Do you have a cold?
[20:16:25] tons	Will classic Zorro hardware be supported in full, or will new drivers and new software need to be written for them?
[20:16:29] texnofobix	what cool features are in OS4 that don't exist anywhere else?
[20:16:35] Rudei_OS4	quadpol what? :-)
[20:16:36] Showman_Q	These new companies (so not troika or eyetech) has already their own market or they are "startup companies"? if NO, wich is the size of their market (more or less)
[20:16:41] FryGuy	quadpol: :)
[20:16:43] d0c	question: since os4.0 will not be released before new hw is available, will os4.1 be worked on in the meanwhile and be sooner released?
[20:16:43] Fusion	uestion: Won't AmigaOS4 function on Pegasos??
[20:16:45] quadpol	he is coughing so often!
[20:16:46] Invizix	Question: instead of waiting for "new" hardware, why not work in conjunction with Elbox; that way SharkPPC, and OS4 can be available at the same time. Kind of like a filler.
[20:16:46] Invizix	ASK IT
[20:16:46] Invizix	:P
[20:16:46] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:16:50] Fransexy	hey there are a lot of question why the hell they repeat them??? :(
[20:16:53] ajk	dEF_bASE: Well I suppose the point would be to run x86 windows executables ..?
[20:17:00] jthomas	any crosscompiler or cross-SDK/IDE planned in near future (waiting for new hardware)?
[20:17:02] UltraGelb_Peg2	QUESTION: Will OS4 run on minimacs in the not too distant future?
[20:17:04] Rudei_OS4	quadpol got it :-)
[20:17:08] Wizzard_o-OS4	OS4 on a Peg? LMAO!
[20:17:09] dEF_bASE	ajk, you create a virtual machine for the win32 PE
[20:17:10] tokai	eliot: that question is already in queue:)
[20:17:12] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	question repeated but NO QUESTION ABOUT OS4 in PEg hW !! :-)
[20:17:12] Fonex	hyperion is not a hardware company, soo dont ask about the freekt amy05
[20:17:13] tokai	i hope
[20:17:19] barana	Question:When OS4 is released, do hyperion plan some sort of press/promotion ect?
[20:17:23] dEF_bASE	ajk, no different to what Shapeshifter etc used to do
[20:17:34] ironfist|AIX-POWER	QUESTION: Who will market AmigaOS4 once it goes final? And how? Do you have any special marketing budget?
[20:17:45] dEF_bASE	+1 for ifist
[20:17:48] Fusion	Question: Will Y have to you it Picasso96 PPC for AmigaOS4 on our Amiga 4000 PPC?
[20:17:50] ajk	dEF_bASE: Yes, of course you can make an emulator. I just meant WINE won't do as such
[20:17:52] PCIEYorN	Will there be compatability with existing PC graphics card, eg. nVidia, GeForce, ... And what architecture will it use, AGP or PCI-expess?
[20:17:55] Invizix	Get27_MOS_and_OS39: from my understanding Genesi is pretty much dead
[20:18:03] yn	uh
[20:18:06] yn	genesi is dead??
[20:18:09] BatteMan	lol
[20:18:10] d0c	yup
[20:18:14] dEF_bASE	ajk lol, that's why i meant a "wine-like system that can run win32 exe's", not wine itself necessarily
[20:18:14] Rudei_OS4	Invizix don't start guys
[20:18:14] yn	wtf?
[20:18:15] ironfist|AIX-POWER	oh yeh sure
[20:18:16] d0c	question: since os4.0 will not be released before new hw is available, will os4.1 be worked on in the meanwhile and be sooner released?
[20:18:25] Atheist	genesi dead? good
[20:18:26] yn	i thought they had just landed a major contract?
[20:18:28] Alkaron	Question: WILL u make any marketing or adverts for the os4. when it finaly will be released..
[20:18:28] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	Peg is not Genesi so don't troll please and just read what i'm writting :-)
[20:18:32] umg_OS3	509 ppl
[20:18:34] cebollinOS39	yn rotlf
[20:18:41] yn	no?
[20:18:42] Fransexy	please moderators put more interesting questions and not what is or isn´t in the update 4 after all i will see in a few days
[20:18:44] cebollinOS39	genesi dead mwahahahahaha
[20:18:50] yn	im not taking sides im just curious
[20:18:52] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: currently the loading and actual start up of the kickstart files takes longest to boot the aone. has this been improved? let's say ba a single kickstart file one can create by the single files?
[20:18:54] Showman_Q	These new companies (so not troika or eyetech) has already their own market or they are "startup companies"? if NO, wich is the size of their market (more or less...)
[20:18:57] dEF_bASE	Question: With the popularity of WINE for Linux, any plans for an Amiga version (a new product with same functionality)? This would immediately address some of the "contemporary software" issues...
[20:18:57] ajk	dEF_bASE: Yes but that's not what you originally said, and I answered the original version =)
[20:18:58] Fusion	Question: Will Y have to you it an instruction manual of AmigaOS4 for the principal functions?
[20:19:03] dEF_bASE	ajk blah :P
[20:19:11] texnofobix	Question: How combatible will OS4 be with other OSes?
[20:19:14] LinusG	Is SNAP still planned for the final release?
[20:19:17] eliot	Question: What about virtual memory, usable with any software???
[20:19:17] Argo	You don't have to tell us what hardware, probably can't anyway (NDA), but how many different hardware products (obviously unreleased, in development) has OS 4 run on?
[20:19:18] Yoodoo2	Question: Any chance of some new games while we wait for OS4? I have cash t o spend...
[20:19:24] codesmith	I think MIkeyC's computer blew up or sth :)
[20:19:29] pentrite	QUESTION: Are you guys working in OS4.1 already?
[20:19:42] Joe	QUESTION: do you have 64bit filesystem too?
[20:19:44] Nero	When is the release of the Hyperion Games update for Aos4.0 with full 3d support?
[20:19:52] Curty	money to burn here lets have a couple of games! ;)
[20:20:04] Fusion	Question: the rom of AmigaOS4 this will charge to you it in the repertoire Kickstart on Amiga 4000 PPC?
[20:20:05] cyberhusky	Question: Is raytracer Real 4D still an issue for AOs4?
[20:20:06] Curty	forgot to say pls
[20:20:12] tons	joe - [15:09:23] <+Rogue> There are new functions that accept 64 bit file offsets and sizes. There are also new DOS package types that will allow you to use files that are larger than 2 GB.
[20:20:22] eliot	Question: What about virtual memory, usable with any software???
[20:20:37] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:20:41] quadpol	Will there be any kind of dongling for OS4 for Classic PPC? How do you prevent illegal copying?
[20:20:46] Fusion	Question: la rom de l'AmigaOS4 ce chargera t'elle dans le drawer Kickstart sur Amiga 4000 PPC ?
[20:20:54] cebollinOS39	eliot: right question
[20:20:56] tokai	(repeat ;) Q: genesi has announced to open all specs for the Pegasos2 computers. Isn't that information enough to make required modifications to let run AmigaOS4 on this hardware platform?
[20:21:00] cebollinOS39	but none do it
[20:21:16] yn	ACK have stated they will release their hardware when OS4 is ready, how does this correlate to what you said about the lack of christmas release for os4?
[20:21:24] BlueTroll	QUESTION: What's the status on the development of the Efika version of AmigaOS4? Will it be included on the AmigaOS4 final?
[20:21:24] tons	Will classic hardware implementations be fully functional with OS4, such as the Zorro hardware and classic Amiga video slots? Will software and drivers for expansion hardware need to be rewritten?
[20:21:30] mschulz_AROS	well, as far as I remember the API cannot be really patented/copyrighted
[20:21:30] dEF_bASE	heh, someone will reverse it anyway ..
[20:21:31] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: how's real3d coming along?
[20:21:33] mschulz_AROS	but I may be wrong
[20:21:39] quadpol	Will there be any kind of dongling for OS4 for Classic PPC? How do you prevent illegal copying?
[20:21:43] BatteMan	OS4 on PS3/XBox360/Mac/Pegasos ?
[20:21:47] Bitterloop	Question: What about Dual-CPU support
[20:21:55] Showman_Q	These new companies (so not troika or eyetech) has already their own market or they are "startup companies"? if NO, wich is the size of their market? (more or less...)
[20:22:04] d0c	question: since os4.0 will not be released before new hw is available, will os4.1 be worked on in the meanwhile and sooner released?
[20:22:11] XrAyZ	OS4 on PS3/XBox360/Mac/Pegasos ? bump
[20:22:18] Fusion	Question: Will Y have to you it it possibility of desactivat Gream Reaper on AmigaOS4 if I use AmigaOS4 on my Amiga 4000 PPC?
[20:22:26] hnl_dk	Question: Shall all 3rd party access to freetype come from 3rd party libfreetype? or will it be possible to use the internal version
[20:22:26] Atheist	eliot: No OS4 for peg, sorry
[20:22:37] Nero	Rogue:When is the release of the Hyperion Games update for Aos4.0 with full 3d support?
[20:22:45] cebollinOS39	Atheist: 4 the moment
[20:22:46] texnofobix	question: What arch's will OS4 run on?
[20:22:58] asian	If someone create ColdFire + Minimig hardware, will AmigaOS 4 support it?
[20:23:00] Invizix	ppc
[20:23:01] Invizix	:P
[20:23:10] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:23:12] dEF_bASE	marketing onus is on the hardware manufacturers to begin with anyway, but i'd like to know the plans
[20:23:15] eliot	Question: What about virtual memory, usable with any software???
[20:23:15] Joe	Question: who is the management you mention all the time and why are they not here?
[20:23:16] texnofobix	i'd hope more than that
[20:23:19] dEF_bASE	Question: With the popularity of WINE for Linux, any plans for an Amiga version (a new product with same functionality)? This would immediately address some of the "contemporary software" issues...
[20:23:20] Fusion	Question: will the Unicode support of the language be you he opperationnel on AmigaOS4?
[20:23:21] poweramiga	Do you guys ever get a break from working on OS4 like christmas holidays easter holidays ? you guys will need one !!!
[20:23:30] Anubis^	will there be native 'non blocking' windows/menus feature without doing nasty things like installing os3.x magicmenu or it needs a complete intuition rewrite?
[20:23:33] d0c	os4 for peg will never happen....
[20:23:34] LingXioay	QUESTION: well there be any legal issues with individuals writing software drivers to support hardware that are not orginally in your database?
[20:23:41] hooligan_dcs_MOS	texnofobix: didnt you know.. the mystery device is a Casio wristwatch http://koti.phnet.fi/yh14756/os4_ng_hardware.png
[20:23:46] Fransexy	which is the company more big than we can imagine that licensed parts of amigaos? and what parts was licensed?
[20:23:48] Invizix	Question: instead of waiting for "new" hardware, why not work in conjunction with Elbox; that way SharkPPC, and OS4 can be available at the same time. Kind of like a filler.
[20:23:51] dEF_bASE	Ling, they answered that (kindof), the answer is no
[20:23:55] ChrisH	QUESTION: How is Hyperions management, if it isn't you two guys?
[20:24:02] dEF_bASE	Ling they already said porting linux drivers is ok
[20:24:03] ChrisH	Sorry how=Who
[20:24:04] etho	question: what has been changed on reaction in update 4?
[20:24:08] Argo	What do you feel makes OS4 stand out amongst other OSs, even the Amiga Classic OSs?
[20:24:10] Wizzard_o-OS4	Peg Owners: if u wanna use OS4 BUY AN A1!
[20:24:12] FaraPeg	QUESTION: do you plan to make a Pegasos compatible version of Amiga OS 4 ?
[20:24:19] quadpol	Will there be any kind of dongling for OS4 for Classic PPC? How do you prevent illegal copying?
[20:24:20] klesterjr	I see that Adam (ACK) is here -- wonder if he'd mind fielding a few questions?
[20:24:20] Fransexy	which is the company more big than we can imagine that licensed parts of amigaos? and what parts was licensed?
[20:24:21] god_frukt	can you tell us a bit more about the crew you work with, how many developers is there and "who are they", who are the managers etc.?
[20:24:21] _Chain_	q: where
[20:24:21] tons	Will classic expansion hardware be fully functional with OS4, and will software and drivers for expansion hardware need to be rewritten?
[20:24:24] ChrisH	QUESTION: Who is Hyperions management, if it isn't you two guys?
[20:24:26] texnofobix	i'm just wondering b/c I dont want to buy some hardware that no other OS will work on
[20:24:29] eliot	Question: What about virtual memory, usable with any software???
[20:24:35] RussellB	QUESTION: How is the updating of Hyperion's games to OS4 native going?
[20:24:37] amigame_OS4	Question: Will SAY be included in OS4.0 Final ?
[20:24:41] ajk	_Chain_: Good question =)
[20:24:46] rzookol_mos	OS4 for pegasos ??
[20:24:51] pentrite	Troyka entered #amigaworld
[20:24:56] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:24:57] SLayeRDK	Chunder: yeah but who would get past the filter ? :)
[20:24:58] d0c	os4 for peg will never happen....
[20:25:09] Turrican3	Historically, Amiga's market was very strong thanks to consumer-level machines like A500/1200. Do you think it is STILL important today to have a (relatively) cheap OS4+suitable HW available to bring back amigans onboard?
[20:25:11] AmigaMac	let Hyperion answer that!
[20:25:15] BatteMan	OS4 on PS3/XBox360/Mac/Pegasos ?
[20:25:18] Bitterloop	Question: Plans Hyperion some new games for OS4?
[20:25:19] Fransexy	never say never
[20:25:22] quadpol	Will there be any kind of dongling for OS4 for Classic PPC? How do you prevent illegal copying?
[20:25:30] amigame_OS4	OS4 for peg... How many times this Q will still appear ?
[20:25:34] tokai	(i wonder if it's okay to repeat ;) Q: genesi has announced to open all specs for the Pegasos2 computers. Isn't that information enough to make required modifications to let run AmigaOS4 on this hardware platform?
[20:25:39] hnl_dk	Question: Will there be USB 2.0 support in update 4 or final OS4.0
[20:25:43] cyberhusky	Will AOS4 have SCSI support?
[20:25:44] spotUP	QUESTION: havy hyperion licenced any new games for porting to aos4? any launch game/games/apps?
[20:25:46] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:25:53] tarbos	amigame: that's aw.net moderation ;)
[20:25:53] tokai	cyberhusky: yes, was already answered
[20:25:56] Sharakmir	Do you plan to release Quake 3 for OS4 some time soon?
[20:25:57] Snuffy	Yay! USB Joysticks!!!
[20:25:57] cebollinOS39	amigame_OS4: its the most important question
[20:25:58] MiMe_OS4	cyberhusky: yes. already answered
[20:26:02] eliot	@cyberhusky : alredy answered
[20:26:03] nubechecorre	There are some games ready or to be released with the final version of amiga os ?
[20:26:07] texnofobix	cyberhusky: he already answered yes to that for OS4
[20:26:08] walkero_OS4	QUESTION: When will freespace 2 comes out? Will you make os4 versions of the older games?
[20:26:15] Shadowolf	Question: OS4 on XBox360?
[20:26:15] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:26:19] Jurassic_OS4	QUESTION: Can you announe any hardware partners tonight other than troika or eyetech ?
[20:26:27] tactica	QUESTION: Quake3 when? :-)
[20:26:33] Fusion	eliot no OS4 for Peg
[20:26:34] Wizzard_o-OS4	eliot: BUY AN A1!
[20:26:34] dEF_bASE	Shadowolf hahahahahh
[20:26:35] Oblivion	then, I will bring some good stuff, cannot tell more...
[20:26:40] Chunder	QUESTION: Have any parts of OS4 been licensed out to other companies/developers? Or are the parts that make an Amiga an Amiga still unique to the Amiga? ;-)
[20:26:47] texnofobix	hey why not partner with Gateway ... >;(
[20:26:47] SLayeRDK	tactica: when its done ;)
[20:26:51] god_frukt	can you tell us a bit more about the crew you work with, how many developers is there and "who are they", who are the managers etc.?
[20:26:59] dEF_bASE	Question: With the popularity of WINE for Linux, any plans for an Amiga version (a new product with same functionality)? This would immediately address some of the "contemporary software" issues...
[20:27:04] Argo	Where do you see Amiga OS development being in a year?
[20:27:06] d0c	os4 will never be released on a dead peg platform..
[20:27:21] Fransexy	which is the company more big than we can imagine that licensed parts of amigaos? and what parts was licensed?
[20:27:22] Rudei_OS4	d0c please can you tone it mate
[20:27:23] asian	Question: What about support for Multi OS CPU such as 8641D?
[20:27:23] yn	How many people are there currently employed at Hyperion Entertainment in total?
[20:27:26] SLayeRDK	d0c: be nice
[20:27:32] tons	Will legacy expansion hardware be fully functional with OS4, and will software and drivers for expansion hardware need to be rewritten?
[20:27:35] Fusion	Question: will the support of the plays 3d on AmigaOS4 function it on Amiga 4000 PPC?
[20:27:45] cebollinOS39	d0c: lol....dead is one mwahhaahahahahah
[20:27:45] codesmith	question: you cannot give details on hw partners, but can you at least say how many have contacted you?
[20:27:54] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: concerning the "several hardware companies" (4,6,10,...?) are there some bigger ones than the current ones (troika, eyetech)? (which would make the chances for actually getting a result from them much better)
[20:27:57] Matt_H	QUESTION: Are there any plans to create something like CATS (Commodore Applications and Techical Support) to provide assistance and support for commercial developers?
[20:28:00] Guest646	Question: Are there any plans for a speech program in OS4 as there was in the original Amiga?
[20:28:01] hooligan_dcs_MOS	d0c: from dead to another dead would be cool continuationg, right? :)
[20:28:02] d0c	:P
[20:28:12] Chris_Y	QUESTION: What features are planned for post-OS4.0?
[20:28:16] Sharakmir	Might be hard to say, but will OS4 be release before summer 2006?
[20:28:23] hnl_dk	Question: How many people are member of the OS4 developer team? and OS4 Beta team?
[20:28:24] amigame_OS4	Question: What is the current relation between Hyperion, Eyetech, AmigaInc ?
[20:28:26] asian	Question: Special CPU, what about DSP or Transmeta code morphing?
[20:28:32] SLayeRDK	cebollinOS39 hooligan_dcs_MOS: dont bite the bait plz
[20:28:40] cebollinOS39	theres no boing balls here to put the question about pegg
[20:28:45] tokai	so, noone has the guts to forward my intelligent question? :)
[20:28:47] BatteMan	Is PerfectPaint port on OS4 finish ?
[20:28:49] Sprocki	good morning
[20:29:07] d0c	my guess that aos4.0 will be released in 2007
[20:29:25] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: when will mui4 for os4 be ready? afaik stunzi only needs tha hardware and os to do the port.
[20:29:26] Fransexy	what is the mysterious decive?
[20:29:37] Sprocki	is there a logfile of the questions that have been asked until now?
[20:29:43] hnl_dk	Question: Have You and Your brother been able to have a merry Christmas?
[20:29:45] Jurassic_OS4	fran: good question
[20:29:46] ToAks_OS4	QUESTION:what happened to gorky17 , worms armageddon , midniught racing and so on?
[20:29:47] cebollinOS39	d0c: in 2k7 there an update 7 lol
[20:29:48] hooligan_dcs_MOS	slayer actually i agree with d0c .. pegasos2 WILL be a dead platform.. sooner or later
[20:29:48] SLayeRDK	Sprocki: yes many
[20:29:51] Invizix	Question: instead of waiting for "new" hardware, why not work in conjunction with Elbox; that way SharkPPC, and OS4 can be available at the same time. Kind of like a filler.
[20:29:57] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	Are there any plans to offen a home (for less money) and a professional (maybe server) version of OS4.x similar to WinXP Home/Prof?
[20:30:00] AmigaMac	will OS4 beat Windows Vista to market?
[20:30:00] Sprocki	SLayeRDK: where?
[20:30:05] dEF_bASE	Question: With the popularity of WINE for Linux, any plans for an Amiga version (a new product with same functionality)? This would immediately address some of the "contemporary software" issues...
[20:30:08] Crumb	QUESTION: talking about docs, do you plan to add more examples to the OS4 autodocs?
[20:30:13] FaraPeg	QUESTION: do you plan to make a Pegasos compatible version of Amiga OS 4 ?
[20:30:14] Nenne	Question: Will Arexx still be working under OS 4
[20:30:17] Showman_Q	These new companies (so not troika or eyetech) has already their own market or they are "startup companies"? if NO, wich is the size of their market? (more or less...)
[20:30:18] SLayeRDK	hooligan_dcs_MOS in time all platforms will be
[20:30:22] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:30:23] Fusion	Question: spiderII USB will be you it recognized on AmigaOS4?
[20:30:26] asian	Question: For overseas customer, can they just send Certificate, instead of big box?
[20:30:30] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	When do you think new hardware for OS4 will be out?
[20:30:31] ajk	Nenne: It already works ..?
[20:30:37] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: is a "boot image" (splash image or smth) now possible? e.g. like a kernel module which is loaded at startup and can shot it earliest?
[20:30:39] amigame_OS4	eliot: NONONONONO
[20:30:42] Nickman_A1200PPC	question 1: Does the scsi support include the scsi on the BlizzPPC
[20:30:42] micronuke|OSX	dEF_bASE: WINE only works on x86 hardware
[20:30:42] Nickman_A1200PPC	question 2: If you buy classic OS4 will there be a discount for other hw later on?
[20:30:43] MZuX	Q: any chances for mediacenter version of OS4? :)
[20:30:47] Invizix	dEF_bASE: 68k and PPC are different archs
[20:30:52] dEF_bASE	argh :P
[20:30:55] Invizix	dEF_bASE: so I doubt it'll work
[20:30:56] Invizix	:(
[20:30:57] tons	I thought Amiga OS4 would run on classic hardware, why are you waiting for new hardware to release it?
[20:31:04] dEF_bASE	read the question.. "a NEW PRODUCT with the SAME fucntionality"
[20:31:11] Invizix	UAE does a good enough job of classic stuff :)
[20:31:18] codesmith	Nickman_A1200PPC: that's a marketing question, he problably won't know
[20:31:20] Fransexy	what is the most difficult part to port of amigaos4?
[20:31:23] dEF_bASE	let me rephrase it...
[20:31:27] aakerlundA1	Have you read On the Edge The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore? I'm reading it now.
[20:31:29] Invizix	dEF_bASE: I read that
[20:31:40] eliot	Question: What about virtual memory, usable with any software???
[20:31:42] god_frukt	can you tell us a bit more about the crew you work with, how many developers is there and "who are they", who are the managers etc.?
[20:31:51] Nickman_A1200PPC	question 1 atleast he should know
[20:31:53] tokai	question: os4 final is still delayed with the excuse that there is no hardware (which wasn't here from the beginning IMHO). isn't the real reason for not bringing out the final to not have to pay off Amiga Inc. (according to the contract)?
[20:32:00] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: you cannot buy current printers as you don't have proper printer drivers on amigaos (except postscript maybe). what plans do you have for an improved printer support?
[20:32:05] quadpol	How many employees does HYPERION have at present?
[20:32:20] derfs	tokai: they are programmers not lawyers ;)
[20:32:22] dEF_bASE	Question: With the popularity of WINE for Linux, any plans for a similar product that can emulate/run in a virtual machine x86 win32 executables for the Amiga? This would immediately address some of the "contemporary software" issues...
[20:32:25] dEF_bASE	better question?
[20:32:29] Rudei_OS4	tokai what kind of a question is that? not constructive at all is it
[20:32:30] cebollinOS39	is ffleecy a mushroom? lol
[20:32:33] tons	So tasks still crash?
[20:32:39] Fusion	Question: will the WHDLoad plays function you it under OS4?
[20:32:50] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	How many peaple do work on OS4 at this time?
[20:32:59] Fransexy	Any plan to include in Amigaos any feature that is not included in any other os?
[20:33:00] tons	2
[20:33:11] zerec478	:D
[20:33:21] zerec478	are there any jit benchmarks you could give us, just for make the waiting more atractive
[20:33:25] SLayeRDK	tokai: as i understand they dont have to pay Ainc anything
[20:33:26] texnofobix	how will 3rd party developers be able to program software in time for the release?
[20:33:30] tokai	Rudei_OS4: no idea... i had a constructive question, but it seems kleinbürgertum forbidds that it gets forwarded :)
[20:33:32] Fransexy	Any plan to include in Amigaos any feature that is not included in any other os?
[20:33:32] FaraPeg	QUESTION: do you plan to make a Pegasos compatible version of Amiga OS 4 ?
[20:33:34] smartroad	question: will there be a pre-release for classics, or is it still planned to release the "classic" version with the final release?
[20:33:40] Fusion	Question: Will Y have to you it Warp3D PPC for the voodoo3 3000 on MediatorPCI?
[20:33:54] tons	Question: Will legacy expansion hardware be fully functional with OS4, and will software and drivers for expansion hardware need to be rewritten?
[20:34:03] yn	ACK have stated they will release their hardware when OS4 is ready, how does this correlate to what you said about the lack of christmas release for os4?
[20:34:06] quadpol	Will there be a prerelease for the Classic?
[20:34:07] cebollinOS39	FaraPeg: no answer 4 this :(
[20:34:17] magic-xp-pro_suse-10	Question: To help amigaos4 will there be any plans for tv advertising of some kind? Even if it is just for the hardware?
[20:34:28] FaraPeg	cebollinOS39: it's THE question to answer
[20:34:28] Chris_Y	tokai: and you think a non-constructive one will be?
[20:34:35] Torn	QUESTION: Given the current "no hardware" problem, would't be better to change AmigaOS in "no hardware based" OS and release it on any PowerPC based platform?
[20:34:36] tactica	mac2gfx_osx: if you pay the bill, sure
[20:34:38] Fransexy	Any plan to include in Amigaos any feature that is not included in any other os?
[20:34:47] eliot	QUESTION: OS4 for peg???
[20:34:51] scuz	TV advertising? Are there TV channels being watched exclusively by True Amigans?
[20:34:53] magic-xp-pro_suse-10	tactica, one can dream:)
[20:34:56] cebollinOS39	FaraPeg: right...the most important question
[20:34:59] Rudei_OS4	tokai can't guarantee everyones questions will get asked, but we're all doing our best to make sure this is as worthwhile as it can be ok
[20:35:04] tarbos	scuz: giga? :)
[20:35:04] cebollinOS39	but none put that question
[20:35:04] amigame_OS4	eliot: NONONONONO
[20:35:05] tons	scuz - cartoon network
[20:35:06] codesmith	Fransexy: yeah screen dragging :)
[20:35:18] mac2gfx_osx	tactica: ?
[20:35:23] Raziel_OS4	QUESTION: Any news on drivers (support for Floppy, Catweasel etc.)?
[20:35:24] Joe	QUESTION: do you have 64bit filesystem too?
[20:35:32] tokai	Rudei_OS4: but as u saw at the response of other ppl here i'm not the only one who would appreciate that my question gets forwarded:)
[20:35:33] Wizzard_o-OS4	eliot: OS4 on a PEG. NO.
[20:35:34] Maria	Question: The lack of a descent (capable) web browser is a big issue for AmigaOSs overall usabillity, is Hyperion supporting the people that are working on the Firefox port -- will there be a up2date browser chipped with OS4 Final?
[20:35:39] tons	joe - they answered the filesystem already
[20:35:41] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	Rudei_OS4 : the 1st question of tokai is one of the most asked and it not been asked to hyperion
[20:35:45] Nero	Rogue:How does Hyperion stand to the German Aos4.0 users? Will it give also still better German support?
[20:35:49] codesmith	Joe: he said yes a few minutes ago
[20:35:51] cebollinOS39	better os4 on a "dead" ONE
[20:35:51] Old_Man_Bobson	Question: Do you have anything lined up regarding OS4 and PDA's - or some other mass market consumer device?
[20:35:52] d0c	if there is gonna be a "no hardware based os" aos will work on anything but the peg...
[20:35:53] scuz	tons: broadcasting two 30-second commercials on the cartoon network would probably eat up Hyperion's yearly turnover
[20:35:54] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	Rudei_OS4 : the 1st question of tokai is one of the most asked by amigauser and it not been asked to hyperion
[20:35:59] Rudei_OS4	tokai I am not questioning that at all ok matey
[20:36:01] Fransexy	your prefered colour is red, blue or gray? ;)
[20:36:06] d0c	:P
[20:36:10] Hombre	Do you have heard anything new about Sheep ? What language will officially replace ARexx as powerfull scripting language ?
[20:36:11] MiMe_OS4	QUESTION: what are your plans regarding a new filesystem for os4? afaik there is smth planned...
[20:36:21] Argo	Will anything be added to the Final while waiting for hardware?
[20:36:22] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	Q: genesi has announced to open all specs for the Pegasos2 computers. Isn't that information enough to make required modifications to let run AmigaOS4 on this hardware platform?
[20:36:25] tons	scuz - this is what local insert spots are for. you just advertise in ny/nj and california
[20:36:27] amigame_OS4	#d0c: :-D :-D
[20:36:28] zerec478	where to find documentation for starting 3d programming under os4?
[20:36:29] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	question: How many peaple do work on OS4 at this time?
[20:36:29] tons	much cheaper
[20:36:37] tokai	Rudei_OS4: so hyperion said ebfore they don't want to hear such questions? :)
[20:36:39] Desolator	mods, couldnt you pick some of the OS4 classic questions too?
[20:36:40] Nickman_A1200PPC	How long will you wait for new hardware before you release OS4 for the classic Amiga ?
[20:36:42] ajk	moderators please just ask the pegasos2 question and get it over with :-P
[20:36:43] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	it's a constructive question i think and lot of pegs users want to know :-)
[20:36:47] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	QUESTION: When do you think new hardware for OS4 will be out?
[20:36:57] scuz	tons: but there is one True Amigan in North Dakota as well!
[20:37:05] eliot	Question: Filesystem, is it possible to use larger files than 2 GB???
[20:37:07] OS_EINS_DREI_FAN	QUESTION: Waht is your opinion for aple's decision to port MacOS to the INTEL architecture?
[20:37:08] derfs	tokai: dont start putting words in hops mouths pls :D
[20:37:09] tons	scuz - i'll rip a copy of the commercial and email you it ;)
[20:37:16] Amigaz_A4000	why not release OS4 for us classic owners since there exists hardware in form of PPC cards for classic Amigas???
[20:37:17] scuz	tons: thanks :)
[20:37:17] mac2gfx_osx	Question: whcih Multicore CPU will be used? Will there be hardware available soon? Or will it take, let's say, 1 or 2 more years?
[20:37:18] cebollinOS39	ajk: its impossible.....here is aw.net land
[20:37:25] Fusion	Question: after will the OS4.1 have to you it there it OS4.2?
[20:37:27] mac2gfx_osx	Which*
[20:37:30] tons	eliot - they said yes for the final version
[20:37:32] hooligan_dcs_MOS	QUESTION: does MorphOS really REALLY suck as much as it have been told? :D
[20:37:36] Fonex	QUESTION: have u got any shark card from elbox to suport for os 4.0
[20:37:38] dEF_bASE	aergh don't do ogl-based UI
[20:37:47] mausle	QUESTION: Will #4 contain ixemul.library?
[20:37:51] dEF_bASE	bad bad bad developers
[20:37:58] Fransexy	Are you thing about multicpu support via network (internet)?
[20:38:08] Fusion	Question: will y have to you it it Morphos emulator on AmigaOS4?
[20:38:10] FaraPeg	THE QUESTION : Will there be a Pegasos compatible version of Amiga OS 4 ?
[20:38:12] Matt	Question: Is there anything in the roadmap for OS4.0 that you won't be able to include in the actual 4.0 release?
[20:38:19] XrAyZ	most people here are old amiga uses, what will os4 offer to new users thats not available on other platforms ?
[20:38:22] dEF_bASE	user interfaces based on 3d libraries that in turn depend on solid hardware support will always cause huge problems.. it's why winfx has been delayed and delayed...
[20:38:23] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	hooligan_dcs_MOS : yesssss ! that's why morphos users wants to have OS4 on theirs peg :-)
[20:38:25] eliot	What about samba for OS4 native?
[20:38:35] Fransexy	with all the visual gadgetry like rotatable windows, transparency and the like... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO this will make amigaos as slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww as windows
[20:38:37] Troika	What has been the best part of redoing OS4?
[20:38:38] tons	Question: Will the Classic Amiga version be fully compatable with legacy (zorro) expansion hardware?
[20:38:43] quadpol	Are you both in the same room now?
[20:38:49] magnetic	Hi Hyperion, do you guys live with your parents like the MOS guys?
[20:38:53] LingXioay	QUESTION: well there be any legal issues with individuals writing software drivers to support hardware that are not originally in your database?
[20:39:07] quadpol	Do you have a cold?
[20:39:09] tons	ty, finally :)
[20:39:18] mac2gfx_osx	Question: which Multicore CPU will be used? Will there be hardware available soon? Or will it take, let's say, 1 or 2 more years?
[20:39:20] yn	You say that lack of hardware support is delaying the final release of os4, yet ACK have said in an interview that they will release the hardware when os4 final is released. Can you please explain this situation?
[20:39:36] scuz	yn: excuses, excuses
[20:39:36] derfs	yn: ACK have also said that they havnt even made it yet :D
[20:39:39] eliot	What about samba for OS4???
[20:39:44] tons	oy vey... the drivers and software are already written, you have to write the os to support the current drivers
[20:39:48] yn	oh
[20:39:48] dEF_bASE	any plans to include a wife-mute button? .. bbl
[20:39:59] Old_Man_Bobson	How do Amiga inc See OS 4 and how does it all fit into the plan?
[20:40:05] cebollinOS39	che cazzata di conferenza...fanno domande stupide...e la DOMANDa non la fanno......
[20:40:07] tons	followup: So that's a no?
[20:40:07] hooligan_dcs_MOS	dEF_bASE: for me too.. PLEASE
[20:40:09] scuz	Old_Man_Bobson: is Amiga Inc. still alive?
[20:40:13] Showman_Q	These new companies (so not troika, eyetech, or amiga classic related) has already their own market or they are "startup companies"? if NO, wich is the size of their market? (more or less....)
[20:40:13] ChrisH	MODERATORS: Can you kick those people sending messages by changing their nick? They seem to be nut jobs anyway.
[20:40:16] BlueTroll	QUESTION: What are your opinion about a program like os4emu? Do you see it as something bad or something that can help to broaden AmigaOS4 related softwares user base?
[20:40:18] Chunder	Troika: good question! Get a bit of a personal response into things... question seconded! :-)
[20:40:23] XrAyZ	most people here are old amiga users, what will os4 offer to new users thats not available on other platforms ?
[20:40:25] Rudei_OS4	there you go
[20:40:26] yn	:O
[20:40:27] Fusion	Question: can have to contribute to the development of AmigaOS4 on Amiga 4000 PPC?
[20:40:30] Moxee	QUESTION: What is rotatable windows for/do?
[20:40:37] eliot	QUESTION: What is the problem with overlay support (dma, amiga one)???
[20:40:37] Matt	Question: Is there anything in the roadmap for OS4.0 that you won't be able to include in the actual 4.0 release?
[20:40:39] amigame_OS4	Question: Any word on a new Browser like Firefox ?
[20:40:55] MH2	Will os4 final come on dvd or cd
[20:40:55] mausle	QUESTION: Will #4 contain ixemul.library?
[20:41:09] scuz	MH2: it will come on BlueRay Disc
[20:41:09] tons	Question: Why are you asking OS Developers about future hardware and future software that is not related to them in any way shape or form?
[20:41:11] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	21:40 Pegasos 2 is a potential hardware platform for OS 4.
[20:41:23] Get27_MOS_and_OS39	thank you :-)
[20:41:25] Old_Man_Bobson	how mcuh is the initial cost
[20:41:26] Old_Man_Bobson	and if so
[20:41:31] Old_Man_Bobson	how much :D
[20:41:43] Mikey_C-A1	TROIKA check PM
[20:41:44] tons	If we pay for the initial cost, will it be done within a week?
[20:41:49] ToAks_OS4	contact them
[20:41:50] derfs	;)
[20:41:54] derfs	stop changing nick heh
[20:41:57] ToAks_OS4	with a nice nda
[20:41:57] appa_x	question: Is SMP possible without memory protection?
[20:42:06] scuz	appa_x: yes
[20:42:19] texnofobix	what reasons will there be for me to buy a brand new computer with OS4? Instead of x86 which has plenty of choices and soon MacOS?
[20:42:28] scuz	texnofobix: none
[20:42:34] LingXioay	Question: Have you worked out the pricing of os4 final relase and do you know what it might cost for a copy?
[20:42:35] Fusion	Question: will y have to you it it AmigaOS4 on Pegasos II G4?
[20:42:44] derfs	texnofobix: OS4 of course ;)
[20:42:49] texnofobix	scuz: that is what i'm afraid of
[20:42:51] poweramiga	CLOSER I wish you guys all the luck in the world an hope evrything works out in the best way possible and you guys are well deserved of a medal for writing OS4
[20:42:58] tons	texnofobix!
[20:42:59] cebollinOS39	That is the reason why there is no OS4 on the Pegajoso yet.---> eliot: NONONONONO
[20:43:01] Fransexy	os4 runs on apda yohooooo gould i buy it?
[20:43:03] mschulz_AROS	question: apart from BIOS issues (you use UBoot, pegasos uses OF), what amount of work do you expect to be spent on pegasos port? Marvell and Articia are at many places quite the same. At least when talking about initial *working* port
[20:43:23] cebollinOS39	note the "YET"
[20:43:36] UltraGelb_Peg2	ports to PDA's dont require initial costs or what does he mean?
[20:43:39] FaraPeg	QUESTION : if Pegasos 2 users are ready to pay Amgia OS 4, would you bring them a port ?
[20:43:44] quadpol	What amount of work would you expect to be spent on pegasos port?
[20:43:46] UltraGelb_Peg2	lying *beeps*
[20:43:47] Showman_Q	These new companies (so not troika,eyetech or classic related) has already their own market or they are "startup companies"? if NO, wich is the size of their market? (more or less)
[20:43:50] derfs	only 274 ppl here so not enough to kill ;)
[20:44:05] eliot	QUESTION: What is the problem with overlay support???
[20:44:09] hooligan_dcs_MOS	would have been nice to know how much the "initial cost" for the port is
[20:44:09] eliot	What about samba for OS4???
[20:44:10] Nero	QUESTION:Is a update of uboot planned ?
[20:44:14] Matt	Question: Is there anything in the roadmap for OS4.0 that you won't be able to include in the actual 4.0 release?
[20:44:15] UltraGelb_Peg2	and in forums it reads " yo man! ainc doesnt like mos, so no port for peg
[20:44:19] mortenskov	Sorry if this has been asked: Do you plan to spend ressource porting or creating software (games e.g.) for OS4 or will you pursue OS4.1 with all you got
[20:44:22] XrAyZ	what party im not in a party mooood
[20:44:26] UltraGelb_Peg2	ridiculous chat, as expected
[20:44:33] Fusion	Question: Does AmigaOS4 turn on Amiga 4000 PPC why not to put it on sale currently?
[20:44:39] mdma	Please ask my question to the Friedens. :- Is there any chance of Update #4 being released for BlizzardPPC users if we pay for the privilege?
[20:44:56] Joe	QUESTION: do you have 64bit filesystem too?
[20:45:09] Stevo-AZ	well, that chat was enlightning...bhahahahaha
[20:45:12] Coder	QUESTION: do you have 64bit filesystem too? *** YES
[20:45:20] Amig_OS	thx
[20:45:21] SLayeRDK	hooligan_dcs_MOS licensing terms are at www.amiga.com
[20:45:27] _Steve_	Joe: they already stated earlier it has 64-bit dos
[20:45:30] Fusion	Question: Does AmigaOS4 turn on Amiga 4000 PPC why not to put it on sale currently?
[20:45:50] eliot	What about samba for OS4???
[20:45:52] eliot	QUESTION: What is the problem with overlay support???
[20:45:52] dEF_bASE	they'll put it on the ipaq...
[20:46:02] dEF_bASE	they'll follow the linux ipaq port...
[20:46:02] Mikey_C-A1	eliot Samba for OS4 already exists!!!
[20:46:10] codesmith	there's a PPC ipaq?
[20:46:18] Nickman_A1200PPC	classic questions is ignored :(
[20:46:23] Teddy	i can't wait for that PDA :)
[20:46:27] eliot	really??? i, did not know about that
[20:46:31] dEF_bASE	codesmith, ipaqs (all non-palm pda's) are intel ARM
[20:46:37] Fusion	Question: Does AmigaOS4 turn on Amiga 4000 PPC why not to put it on sale currently????
[20:46:39] SLayeRDK	hooligan_dcs_MOS: http://www.amiga.com/licensing/brand/
[20:46:40] _Steve_	Nickman_A1200PPC: not ignored, just didnt have time to ask them sorry
[20:46:44] Yod4z	what was done when the final version of Os4 is out? an webbrowser? mailler? videoplayer? or juste corrections?
[20:46:46] _Steve_	I did have a few lined up
[20:46:51] Troika	for all hardware related questions read our FAQ http://www.troikang.com/faq.html
[20:46:52] dEF_bASE	ipaqs are 400mhz xscale procs
[20:46:53] codesmith	that's what I thought, so it can't be an paq
[20:47:02] raef[amiga]	laters and thx
[20:47:13] scuz	I can't believe how much essential stuff is actually still missing from OS4, 3..4 years after it should have been released for the first time...
[20:47:14] Rudei_OS4	.msg hooligan_dcs_MOS so whats your thoughts on that then?
[20:47:17] cyberhusky	please can so send me the beginning of the IRC log? WookieChat crashed and I didn't noticed :-(
[20:47:17] cyberhusky	Thx
[20:47:18] Fransexy	how many ppc based pda there are?
[20:47:23] Showman_Q	Interesting chat: theare were a lof of really intesting questions and now I know that my joypad will work on os4! ridicoluos...
[20:47:26] Rigo	Right, thats yer lot, ain't you got no homes to go to?
[20:47:27] scuz	very, very discouraging
[20:47:28] Outcast	questions over
[20:47:31] ToAks_OS4	Fransexy: like 70
[20:47:37] mdma	http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jan/bpd20030123018304.htm - PowerPC PDA Reference design from IBM
[20:47:48] cyberhusky	Fransexy: I think only trhe IBM reference design
[20:48:02] dEF_bASE	of course maybe it's running on the gizmondo .. heh
[20:48:04] Fransexy	70 or 3?
[20:48:39] derfs	lol
[20:49:27] SLayeRDK	that went well i guess ;)